2 Samuel 12: 8 Commentary

Tractorman: In post#3 of 1 Chronicle 14,

You said: David DID take on MORE wives - but do you EVER read where this ended up ‘happily ever after’? I don’t read ANYWHERE in scripture where this was the case - all I ever see is COMPROMISE and JEALOUSY…

My comment: If polygamy read(polygyny) is not a sin against God and some of the families of those practicing it did not end up “happily ever after”, what does that make polygyny? Would that make it then a sin?

If the families of those practicing monogamy ended up in divorce or in a disaster would that make monogamy a sin?

What am driving at is this, let us not declare what is not sin in God’s sight as a sin, lest we be found as liars! And our Father in heaven does not tell lies…it is only the father of lies that is a liar. So acknowledge God in all your ways and lean not on your understanding…

You said: Please let me know where polygamy is COMMANDED, MANDATED or ENCOURAGED either in the Gospels or the Epistles… and especially with regards to GENTILE-believers to follow suit !!!

My comment: God is silent on the matter. God had allowed us the freedom of the life we want whether we remain single, married to one wife or married to several wives. When men makes laws to force everyone to have no wife-that is blaspheming God; when they make laws to force everyone to have many wives-that is blaspheming God; and when they make laws forcing everyone to have only one wife-THAT IS BLASPHEMING GOD! It is setting themselves up higher than their creator.

And the forcing of everyone to have only one wife-had already been done and is still on going today. Our Lord Jesus has this to say:

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/14/2012 03:14 am

WHY IS “SHOULD-BE” MONOGAMY A CAUSE OF THE DECADENCE OF MARRIAGE AND SOCIETY? SOURCE:http://www.patriarchywebsite.com/monogamy/mono-is.htm

Briefly, the cause of marital and societal decadence is inherent in the philosophy and practice of modern “should-be” monogamy which creates and promotes the sentiment that there must be only one wife at any one time and that she must be exclusive. That simple. There can be no other, for she has exclusive possession of her husband and this exclusive possession of him inherently and subtly gives her the right into almost every aspect of his life, even to possess him from his other close ones, including the in-laws, close friends, and almost anything. She inevitably possesses him from what he may have to do for his God and from his rightful standing before Him. Whether if all these are driven by her fear, insecurity, selfishness, bondage or anything else, it’s immaterial. In the name of the love that is due to her, in the name of having to be sensitive to her needs, happiness and feelings, she is to be appeased before anything else can go smoothly. Her needs, desires, fancy, feelings, likes and dislikes, thus her consent and the consideration of her becomes more important than God or the needs of His Kingdom.

As long as she remains unhappy about anything that he has to do, or unconvinced about the way he does it, he remains unrested, crippled and imprisoned, for this is the way he is taught by the preacher and the culture to love his wife as such a “good” husband. But subtly, she has become an idol, if not the god of his life – the ultimate determining factor, the final influence and actual decision-maker. I am not saying that women seek to be evil, to be possessive or to replace God. What I am saying is that this sentiment is promoted and endorsed in the deceived “should-be” monogamy theology that grooms and empowers her to be so. I do not blame the woman as much as I would blame the weak woman-beholden man who idolizes her to be so. Yet the more to be blamed is the man-fearing Pharisee who stands at the altar, and in the name of God, promotes this sentiment by declaring this pagan Roman originated “should-be” monogamy as holiness and as the only scriptural form of marriage without thoroughly searching the scriptures!

By this I say that it is impossible for modern theology to produce men of God like Abraham who gave his son to God without first consulting Sarah. Even if he had (as one might contend), which man as such, if he had done so against his wife’s wishes, would be vindicated by modern theology to be godly? No, for in most cases, he will be judged as an irresponsible and insensitive husband and father. All such kind of men would be branded as unscrupulous and unscriptural. But I still contend that even if Abraham had informed or discussed with Sarah, he was not seeking her consent or approval. It would be wrong and irresponsible to impose upon her to make this very difficult decision with him! Only a weak man would do that.

But have we not been told all the time not to act on anything significant until she is consulted and her consent given? I am not saying that it is wrong to inform or discuss with her. I am saying it is wrong that she must always be consulted or be appeased first. Did I use the word “consult”? Yes, that’s what men have always been taught by “should-be” monogamy theology, to consult and to appease rather than to discuss and take responsibility as the final decision maker and head of the house. And I therefore conclude that the “should-be” monogamy theology cannot produce patriarchal men who seek to please God and heed His voice before that of their wives’. Not because the women are the cause, but rather they are taught and groomed by this “should-be” monogamy theology to be so. Be patient. Let me proceed further and make it clearer.

THE ROLE REVERSAL
Let me continue, and further paint a typical scenario that is common in the “should-be” monogamous culture. Because it is taught that we must love our wives, to win their heart and willingness and for peace and harmony in the home and marriage, we should seek their consent and approval in all matters. Whether it’s out of the need to please above any other things or it’s out of an inability to carry manly responsibilities, this act cause her to assume more responsibilities. And whether out of necessity or not, she very often ends up assuming authority and ultimately playing the major part in decision-making. All this eventually necessitates equal status, equal say and equal power in all things. The union becomes an unnatural, unwieldy body with 2 heads and is subtly expressed in an innocent loving term, “my the other half” or “she is the neck that turns the head”. All these demand a sharing and relinquishing of the man’s responsibility and authority as head. Not that women should have absolutely no responsibility and authority, but the marriage is no longer a scriptural God-ordained relationship of head and body, but one of equal partners, or one dominated by a woman figure that an irresponsible or weak man may secretly enjoy. Whatever each case may be, it is something that all men will eventually be frustrated with, having lost the manliness given by God and such arrangement is a sure breeding ground for hurts and marital disasters. This is anti-patriarchy and anti-Kingdom, thus anti-God. Yet all these seem good in the beginning, with no definable roles but a lot of giving and sharing with one another. Romantic love is blind, but not for long.

THE REALIZATION
As time passes, when the “honeymoon” is over and the search for true identity and true fulfillment begins, differing views and wrong role-play become an issue, and many times resulting in severe conflicts. The more she has to assume responsibilities and tasks beyond that which is ordained of a woman, the more frustrated, unfulfilled, insecure and empty she becomes. So the more desperately she possesses and controls her man. The more he gives in and let go, either because of irresponsibility or the need to appease her, the more responsibility she has to assume, and the more bitter and frustrated she becomes. This resentment or simmering anger will be reflected in her disposition towards him. Until both begin to question the reason to stay married to each other. They no longer appeal to one another. He feels imprisoned and robbed and she feels exploited. The vicious cycle continues, until love and bliss are turned into suppressed hurts and bitterness or else hate and feuds. These are the inevitable results.

THE FALLEN NATURE PROMOTED IN “SHOULD-BE” MONOGAMY
Is this the kind that God intends marriage to be? No, of course not. Is this entirely her fault? No, but rather more of his fault. He has given away his God-ordained manhood. The failure to give her manly firmness makes her feel insecure. The failure to assume responsibility makes her feel unloved. But does he love her? Yes, he truly does. He fails not because he does not love her, but because he is roman-tic and has made her the center of his life. He is not patriarchal, for God’s Kingdom is not the priority, but she is. In love, there is an inherent desire to see her pleased and happy, but romantic self-love would idolize her and give her all she wants, for in the process, she reciprocates with her love, thus he finds her pleasing and peaceable, and is gratified by her. The more she is pleased and idolized, the more she will gratify him. The reverse is also true, that when she is no longer the priority, the relationship will become contentious and it will no longer be a loving one. This is pagan Romanism, the worship of roman-tic love where this love is exalted above all other things for the relationship to be endearing. To be romantic, anything else and everything else must be secondary. The more romantic, the more exclusive she must be. It is nothing but self-centeredness. And this of course, all truly spiritual people know is of the devil! It is the worship of the love goddess. But generally, people easily see this in others and not in themselves.

THE MID-LIFE CRISIS
This man-woman love worship is a temptation and a pitfall common to all marriages since Adam, no matter in what form. But it is specially justified and promoted in the exclusivity of “should-be” monogamy, where she has to be the only one to be exclusively pleased above anybody and anything else. That’s the sentiment of being romantic and special. But this itself becomes an abuse of woman, for she is encouraged to be idolized, self-centered and possessive, and pampered into vanity and worthlessness. For in becoming such a woman, she soon becomes boring, possessive and demanding, and everything pleasurable about her quickly vanish. And in many cases, she becomes an undesirable element that is to be discarded for he not only finds no more pleasure in pleasing her, he finds her a load and a burden, while she is equally frustrated with him for being irresponsible and weak. And both will begin to wonder what actually went wrong. This is termed “marital crisis” that commonly surfaces in mid-life, where each instinctively begins to take stock of what they have actually achieved in such a self-centered and worthless life. The imprisoned man (or even the woman) if desperate enough, will summon his last strength and grasp his last chance to break the bondage or suppression to start a new life if he has the means and the courage to do so. He needs to find a better meaning and purpose in life, which will only be found in Kingdom-principled Patriarchy. Hopefully, he will find it this time, but it is virtually non-existent in the “should-be” monogamy world.

THE SERIAL MONOGAMY OF “SHOULD-BE” MONOGAMY
The next evil of “should-be” monogamy is to license him with a divorce, for the “should-be” monogamy culture will not allow him to keep the first wife if he wills to take on another - a provision and a way out. Thus it now suits him to discard the old worn garment for a new and pleasing one. All other related issues, hurts and conflicts now freely surface and become good reasons to sanction a divorce. All these are but the by-products of an erroneous philosophy and theology that trap and imprison the society that accepts and worships it. The man now delights in his new love, new bliss and new hope only to see the next vicious cycle repeating itself again. The new one is again adored and idolized into a spoilt toy fitted for the garbage. This is a by-product of the “should-be” monogamy culture, which is a kind of serial monogamy that is not acceptable by God.

NO WOMAN IS REALLY SECURE IN THE “SHOULD-BE” MONOGAMY CULTURE
For good or bad reasons (mostly bad), there are more divorces, therefore more forsaken women and children in monogamous society than in any other. This is the by-product of the “should-be” monogamy. It is also the result of the law of sowing and reaping. The monogamous woman who rejects the other woman ends up being replaced by the other woman. In this respect, it is not wrong to assume that no woman in the “should-be” monogamous culture can truly feel secure. Instead of living in love and assurance, they live in insecurity, having to constantly cling to, watch and guard their men against their own kind – the other women. Interestingly, women in patriarchal polygamous marriages avert this pitfall by embracing the very seeming disadvantage of having to share and consider for one another.

Every disposed wife becomes another good case against men’s abuse of women, thus giving impetus to the feminism movement for women to defend themselves. But the marital failures are due to the vanity of her self, abuses of man’s self love, and both are not just condoned but exalted by wayward pagan “should-be” monogamy theology as holiness and righteousness. Sad to say but true, Biblical Patriarchy and Patriarchal Polygamy which seek to protect and provide for women are the ones that get the blame all the time.

CONCLUSION:

MONOGAMY IS OF GOD, BUT “SHOULD-BE” MONOGAMY AS THE ONLY RIGHT FORM OF MARRIAGE IS NOT OF GOD BUT OF PAGAN ROMAN-TIC TEACHINGS THAT IS DESTROYING THE WORLD AND THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

LET ME EXHORT YOU

If a man can lay down his life for others, he is patriarchal. If he is not patriarchal, he will live for himself. If he lives for himself, he will not live for you. So don’t be fooled by Roman-tic love. If a person is incapable of love and consideration for others, he will ultimately not love you more than he loves himself. For even if he appears to be so, he is doing it only for himself, which is still self-love. So don’t be fooled. For if he is capable of love and consideration for others, he is capable of truly loving you. That’s why Jesus said, “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you.” (Mat 6:33)

PATRIARCHY IS IN CHRIST & CHRIST IS IN PATRIARCHY

THERE REMAINS 2 VITAL TRUTHS TO THIS ISSUE:

There are those who are called to monogamy while others are called to polygamy or celibacy. None should in any way discriminate or exalt itself against the others. Monogamy is not in anyway more superior or holier than polygamy just as celibacy is to monogamy. The answer is be poly-positive and receive others just as you want others to receive you.

Whatever form you take or are convinced of as best for yourself, be patriarchal in that God and his Kingdom must be in first priority in all things in your life. So if you are called to be monogamous, stay monogamous and be patriarchally monogamous, by putting God and His Kingdom first before your wife and God’s blessings shall be great upon you. The more you lose her because of God, the more you will gain her. It’s not the form, but patriarchy that sets one apart from the others.

Finally, there is a great need to turn away from the pagan theology of “should-be” monogamy for all people and to return to God’s forms and understanding of marriages as demonstrated by the Biblical fathers. The Bible is to be seen as one Word, not a book with 2 separate portions of 2 different cultures. There can be some cultural and societal differences from time to time, but the truth of God remains the same throughout the ages. He is timeless and He is never outdated, and the fundamental needs of man never change, for he forever remains as man. Children, let your hearts be turned to the fathers, lest God come and strike your land with a curse (Mal 4:6).

Brethren, be blessed in the Lord. Amen

In Christ’s Name,
Israel CS Lim

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 8/8/2011 14:24 pm

Is Polygyny for Today?
sOURCE:http://www.christianpoly.org/today.php

This question is often heard after one is shown that the practice was common among Israel. The key for the study is the change of covenants and an understanding of God’s morals.

Our God has morals. He can not violate his own law. God does not change and his morals do not change. You will not find one single act that is sin in the old covenant that is righteous in the new covenant. Also you will not find one single act that was righteous in the older covenant or covenants that is sinful today. Our God does not change.

We are so used to having laws change these days that it is hard for one to understand that under God’s system nothing changes when it comes to morals. How does this subject relate to morals? The idea of God condemning a person for an act one day and then saying it is a righteous act the next would indicate that God had changed his morals. At that point we would be worshipping a different god, an unreliable god.

The fact is that God legislated and in one circumstance required plural marraige means that God has a moral stance on the practice of polygyny. The practice was not a violation of his moral law. Since God does not change then his moral stance on the subject must still be the same.

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 8/8/2011 12:23 pm

James R. Thanks buddy.. though we may not agree on all thngs…at least you care enough to read my posts…

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/22/2011 14:31 pm

TIUCHE: I like post #25. A+++++++++

By James Richter (wrote 536 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/21/2011 21:24 pm

DO NOT THROW THE OLD AWAY!

I told a retiring female teacher who had reached the age of 65 about the Parable to the Guitars.She was a Bible believer, was unmarried and lives with her 8o plus year old mother.As i was finishing my story about how Juan told the dealer that he could not destroy his old guitar in order just to have a new one…MAM laughed at me and let me finished my story. She said her Chinese father had always told her as a young girl about giving honor to old possession…whether it be a guitar, a wife, a tool or anything.

She nodded at me as i explained to her how Juan because of sentimental value and the love he have for his old guitar could not destroy it…she previously had explained to me how hard it was to care for her old mother…while at the same time getting old herself w/o any help…helpers donot stay long in a job that pays a very meager salary of about 2000 pesos a month or 50 dollars a month, more or less.

People are fan of throwing the old away…divorces their old mates…treat the old testament like they are obsolete scriptures…despise the old ways and old roads…but mind you…they won’t part with their old carnal nature.

The word of God is clear in 2 Sam. 12:8 that God give wives for man after His own heart…on whose heart are His Laws written….but i wonder why those who profess to believe in Him would not believe His clear Words that adding several wives to an existing one is no sin. Perhaps they think 2 Sam. 12:8 is old thus obsolete…not to be taken seriously!

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/21/2011 16:32 pm

A LOOK AT THE MOTHER’S DOCTRINE ON MARRIAGE

Source: www.newadvent.org/cathen/02564a.htm.

Bigamy (Polygamy) “is the crime of having two wives or husband at once…as defined by Jurist is an act injurious to public morality by which the STATE or community is injured and which my therefore properly be made CRIMINAL.”

Remember FORNIX CATHIEN? For those who have eyes to see…

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/21/2011 15:43 pm

A LOOK AT NON CHRISTIAN MARRIAGES
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/polygamy_in_india.

“Polygamy is illegal in India for Hindus and other religious groups under the Hindu Marriage Act. It remains legal for Muslim under the terms of the Muslim Personal Law Application Act of 1937, as interpreted by the All India Muslim Personal Law Board.”

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/21/2011 15:33 pm

A LOOK BACK AT HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE#1

Source 1-www.newworldencyclopedia.ord/entry/Polygamy/#Christianity

= Anti-polygamy=
1. John Calvin condemned Polygamy!
2. ST Augustine wrote in the Good Marriage (chapter 15 paragraph 17)’Polygamy’ was lawful among the ancient fathers, whether it be lawful now also, i would not hastily pronounce…which now is not lawful…” In another place he wrote, “Now indeed in our time, and in keeping with ROMAN CUSTOM, it no longer allowed to take another wife…”
3.The Catholic church clearly condemns polygamy.

=Pro-polygamy=
1. Periodically, Christian reform movement that have aimed at rebuilding Christian doctrine on the Bible alone (sola Scriptura) have at least temporarily accepted POLYGAMY as a Biblical practice.
2. Martin Luther sees Polygamy not a sin against God.
3. Parliament of Nurnberg on February 14, 1560 allowed men to marry up to Ten Women!

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/21/2011 13:29 pm

Roland G.

You are indeed simple…i leave you alone now…

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 17:32 pm

Monsieur Tiuche, thank you my friend. “There is no pillow so soft as a clear conscience.” French Proverb

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 16:55 pm

Roland G:
I guess you are right…so go on…

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 16:48 pm

Monsieur Tiuche, the verse you quote is not about TRUTH. 1 Cor 13;1 is about speaking in tongues and language of angels. When the devil was sentenced he told God to ignore the truth and to love him forever. Focus on the text my friend. Focus on the text. You can dupe some, but not those who know better.

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 16:37 pm

Roland G.:
Truth over love? Jesus said, “I will have mercy not sacrifice” and you say truth over love! Would you kill for the truth? You are blinded by your own conception of truth…though you have all the truth but you do not have LOVE …you are a clanging cymbal (forget about that? That is in 1 Cor. 13)” The enemy indeed is subtle..how be it you are still deceive when the TRUTH is in your heart …and you won’t believe.”_B. Dylan.

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 14:34 pm

Monsieur Tiuche, focus on the text my friend; Always TRUTH OVER LOVE.

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 11:48 am

Roland G.
You say Jesus love me, i already know that…we know Jesus loves you and me and everybody, how about you Roland G do you love me as a brother in Christ? Do you even consider me as a brother in Christ? Me i consider you as a brother in Christ, that is why i am telling you that you are wrong with regards to those things we discuss.

Do you think i am here to be cute? Am i here to prove to everybody i am intelligent? Am i here to annoy everybody? No, i am here to deliver a message of importance…a message that all should repent of those sins i mentioned!

Jeremy S advise me not to be annoying, that i should talk about pleasant things and not to dwell on those things that i keep on discussing…but talking about pleasant things won’t solve the problems created by people with wrong thinking. that is why i am here…to teach the right way…to set the captives free…to those who have ears to hear and eyes that can see…

Putting those messages aside as unimportant for the pleasant things…will result to nothing…captives of wrong thinking and prisoners of satan deceptions not freed…the results of sin would continue to afflict people…

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2011 09:52 am

Monsieur Tiuche, Jesus loves you even if you do that which is right in your own eyes.

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2011 18:15 pm

Roland G:
Do you think that by the way you speak to me you are saying that truth in love or in annoyance? Are you behaving as Christ would want you to behave?

What have i to do with them? Am i not free to tell everybody here the TRUTH?
Are you sure that what I am preaching is polygamy alone or is it that PEOPLE SHOULD OBEY THE LAWS OF GOD AND not the tradition of men?Which is which?

Many times our hearts are darkened by prejudices…drinking too much wine from the Mother …instead of the Heavenly Father….

Think of it this way roland…let us say you are 99% right that i am wrong…i have only 1% of chance that you are wrong and had been deceived by the BIG BIG LIE OF THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS…& her daughters…would you not study what i am claiming?

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2011 17:34 pm

Monsieur Tiuche, I forgot to mention the polygamy dot com website failed to sell at the recent auction price of $5,000. It is no wonder it did not sell since its value is about $651.00.

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2011 16:04 pm

Monsieur Tiuche, there is a website for sale valued at an estimated $651.00. It would make a great forum for your polygamy agenda. Just google polygamy dot com.. They list 40 people in the Holy Bible who practiced polygamy. They also list the key verses Polygamists misinterpret to promote their agenda.

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2011 15:59 pm

Roland G.
What happened to man who have many wives? Do you know the Scriptures?

1. Moses have two wives and he was beloved of God.
2. David had more than 18 wives and he was a man after God’s own heart;
3. Abraham had 3 wives and he was a prophet and friend of God;
4. Elkanah had two wives and he had Samuel the prophet as a son;
5. Jacob have 4 wives and he was called Israel by God;
6. Caleb had many wives and he together with Joshua were the only 2 men of their gennration to get into the promised land;and….
7. should i go on….

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2011 13:16 pm

Monsieur Tiuche, Joseph Smith wanted more women than just Emma. So, he told Emma he received a special revelation message (the Benny Hinn approach). Joseph warned Emma she was to “receive all those that have been given unto my servant Joseph.” Emma obeyed. Joseph Smith died within one year. Do you see what happens to a man when he tries to deal with more than one woman?

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2011 12:25 pm

Roland G.

God gave David many wives …David had more than eighteen wives…remember he was reprimanded for taking the wife of another man…now you say that the wives mentioned by God in this verse are nothing but servants to care for him? LOL….David had ten concubines . Concubines are wife/ servants, why have other servants in your household especially of a king who sought after his life? You are misreading the scripture…
Sober up…don’t let the wine of the Woman make a drunk of you…that your perceptions are affected…for this is the clear and concise word of God…it is not a sin for man to have more than one wife!

By TIUCHE (wrote 51 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/16/2011 04:26 am

In 2 Sam. 12:8, God gave King Saul’s possessions to King David. This included Saul’s wives to care for them not to marry them.

By Roland G (wrote 1651 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/15/2011 21:21 pm

Ramon:
Do you mean to say then that God is partial? The one speaking in the above verse is God…He give many wives to David but you say that God monogamy is implied from the very beginning…Does God have a double mind?

David sleep with many women more than twenty and I don’t think that David was weak!Solomon the wisest man had many wives…he was not turned away from God by His MANY WIVES…he was turned away by HIS STRANGE WIVES- wives who did not believe in God….don’t be misled by hairline difference between sin and not sin!

Israel when they lived in Egypt were so fast to increase in population. Do you know why? If you Genesis to Exodus… especially the scriptures where each family is enumerated you will note that they practice polygamy….that is why there population was rapid…the Egyptians were pagans…did not have the Laws of God..but they mostly practiced monogamy; while Israel people mostly were polygamous! During the New Testament times Judah and the early Christians were under Rome- PAX ROMANA-a gentile pagan kingdom…

It is wrong to say that most early Christians practiced monogamy!Do you know what monogamy is? It is a doctrine whereby a man is prohibited to have more than one wife! Now God had Laws on marriage, and He did not say that we should have many wives; He did not say that everyone should marry; He did not say that everyman should have only one wife. Now, what do you call a doctrine that prohibits what God did not prohibit?

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/3/2011 17:25 pm

I indeed think it’s a sign of weakness to sleep with more than one woman.

Genesis 2:24 implies that monogamy was God’s intention from the beginning. When he created man in his own image he later took woman out of man.

When Genesis 2:24 says that when a man is married he becomes one flesh with his wife it implies a return to the state prior to separation. When a man and a woman marry they represent the fullness of God. Monogamy was God’s original intention but it was ignored by many. Solomon was the wisest man who ever lived but the Bible says that he was turned away from God by his many wives. Jesus used this verse in Genesis to teach monogamy and so from the beginning Christianity has been monogamous. Christians were converted from paganism where polygamy was rife. Therefore the qualifications for an elder and a deacon are that they be the husband of one wife as I said before.

By Ramon (wrote 3 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/2/2011 15:50 pm

Ramon:
Do you mean that a man with many wives are weak because they enjoyed having sex with many wives? Would you know that King Saul who had only a wife and one concubine was weak in his faith while King David a man after God’s own heart had been given by God more than twenty wives? God giving him many wives as recorded in the above verse, and now it seems that the above verse is not clear in your mind…are you founded well on the Law and the Prophets (Old testament)…are you interpreting the New Testament Scriptures in a constricted way? Are you really sure you are seeing the above verse through the whole picture of the old and new testament?

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/2/2011 14:55 pm

Ramon:
I have only one wife & 2 children. Does the above verse not refer to Elders in the faith who are given responsibilities in the Church of God? Are you really sure of what you are affirming that it is a sin against God to have many wives?

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/2/2011 14:38 pm

Titus 1:6 teaches us: “An elder must be blameless, the husband of but one wife, a man whose children believe and are not open to the charge of being wild and disobedient.” Things have changed since Jesus fulfilled the Mosaic Law. I think this commentary of Tiuche can deceive the weaker ones among us. How many wives do you have, Tiuchi?

By Ramon (wrote 3 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/2/2011 14:01 pm

God had blessed David and one blessing was giving him MANY WIVES…this would come to be a surprise from those that had been made to believe that having many wives is a sin against God! It should be noted in this chapter that God was angry for Adultery but having many wives is not adultery! God had a law regarding a man that have more than one wife which is found in Exodus 21:10….note that it is after the Ten Commandment chapter -Exodus 20.
It is to be noted too that the in whole Kingdom of David the Laws of God was being keep; however imperfectly, yet it was being observe…no other nation had so wise a law as that sample nation.

Do we not wonder why now it is being taught that having many wives is a sin against God? This again is connected to the BIG BIG LIE that master deceiver had mislead people into believing….a people ignorant of the Holy Scriptures is a people ignorant of God’s Laws…a people ignorant of God’s Law on marriage is a candidate for broken marriages…

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/2/2011 13:26 pm