Daniel 2: 43 Commentary

As Chuck Missler had said, “they” has to be someone other than men in order to mingle with the seed of men.” He may be right about that, after all, I believe that the words “they” and “seed” are the two key words. It very well could mean something nonhuman mingling with the seed of men.

By Christopher (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/20/2011 02:47 am

TIUCHE:
True about the iron mixing with the clay. But you still miss the point, or maybe just ignore it, the “they” is separate from “men.” It does not say that the seed of men will mingle together, but “they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men…” I don’t have an emotional affinity for the answer I came up with but it is logical, and does fit scriptures. This stuff about the Europeans such as the Spaniards, the French, the English, the Romans, the Germans, the Greeks has one big problem, their seed all mix together just fine and they are forming large political constituencies. There is an extra terrestrial,or non-human influence that needs to be uncovered. Could have something to do with the increasing popularity of the “ascended masters.” I don’t know, but do know it is not other humans.

By Rich (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/19/2011 19:31 pm

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

The term”Iron is not mixed with clay” does not mean that the two cannot form the feet…it forms the feet but the iron remains iron and the clay remains clay. They are like cement & mixing sand being mixed with iron bars when making a concrete structures. The structures are formed and stands but they could not cleave together well like pure gold, pure silver or pure iron.

As i see it, this could mean that the various nations of Europe with its people such as the Spaniards, the French, The English, the Romans, the Germans, the Greeks and others would mixed but they would still cling to their individual races and nations.

By TIUCHE (wrote 2733 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/19/2011 16:40 pm

@Rich - thanks for your comment - let’s keep studying to ’see if these things be so’ - my commentaries are by no means ‘the end all’ but hopefully serve to edify, enlighten and spur us on as students of the Word of God to dig even deeper.

By Tractorman (wrote 2560 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/16/2011 21:00 pm

Tractorman:
What you say is quite logical except for the fact it does not fit the text of scripture. The only thing I have found so far is some sort of “non-human” trying to mix with mankind. Jesus does say “But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Its not necessarily Nephilim but could be a demonic conspiracy.

By Rich (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/16/2011 02:07 am

1. The nations themselves will not
a. Play well with each other
2. Or the people within the nations
a. Will be at odds with each other
3. The nations will either bicker
a. Back and forth with each other
4. Or the people within the nations
a. Will be separated along racial, ethnic
b. Cultural, economic, political or religious lines
5. These nations will be united in one sense
a. But be fractured in another

By Tractorman (wrote 2560 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/15/2011 15:49 pm

Tiuche keeps lying. Britain is NOT Ephraim in Biblical Language, as he says in post 21. He’s been told many times of his error but he just won’t listen. He’s using this website for false propaganda. Don’t listen to him. He’s an unbeliever.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/1/2011 00:21 am

THE TEN TOES on THE FEET MADE OF IRON & CLAY-EU on this last days

Britain (Ephraim in Biblical Language) will he as an Israelite Nation stay with together with the Last Resurrection of the Roman Empire? The so called Holy Roman Empire which is now reviving and moving toward more integration and which is pictured by the Statue in the dream of King Nebuchadnessar is a reality which we Bible believers sees before our eyes trying to mingle.

We know that the Kingdom of God (the Stone made w/o hands) will strike that statue on its feet-meaning the Kingdom God Promise will come in the days of the EU. Will Ephraim stay with them? Here is an article:

BRAD MACDONALDCOLUMNIST
Britain’s Days in the EU Are Numbered
October 27, 2011 | From theTrumpet.com
Europe’s financial crisis has put the EU on a collision course with Britain.
Source: http://www.thetrumpet.com/?q=8773.7525.0.0

BRAD MACDONALD
Many years ago a friend, a casual reader of the Trumpet, told me he’d act on what he was learning from the Trumpet when he saw a specific prophecy be fulfilled. When Britain leaves Europe, as you say it will, he said once, I’ll look more seriously into all of your teachings.

I hope he’s got our number.

Anxieties peaked in Europe this week in the lead-up to yesterday’s gathering of European leaders in Brussels. At stake were some pretty major issues, including the fate of Greece, the solvency of Europe’s largest banks, the survival of the euro, and ultimately, the entire European unification project. German Chancellor Angela Merkel captured the sobriety of the meeting in a speech yesterday morning to the German parliament. “Nobody should take for granted another 50 years of peace and prosperity in Europe,” she warned. “They are not for granted. That’s why I say: If the euro fails, Europe fails.”

Merkel’s message to her European counterparts was dramatic and clear: If European unification fails, expect war!

Right now the consensus among European leaders, especially those leading the charge to solve the crisis, is that the only surefire solution is more integration, more federalization, and more abdication of power by member states to a centralized European government. Last month José Manuel Barroso, the president of the European Commission, warned that Europe faces a crucial moment. “If we do not move forward with more unification,” he warned, “we will suffer more fragmentation.”

Speaking at a summit of the Visegrad Four group in Warsaw earlier this month, Poland’s president emphasized the same need: “Poland is saying with a great emphasis that we have to deepen European integration. Only in this way, we can get out of the crisis.” During her address to the Bundestag yesterday, Merkel yet again reiterated the need to enhance unification. In what was ostensibly a message to Europe ahead of the afternoon EU meeting, Merkel stated that “we have a historical obligation to protect by all means Europe’s unification process begun by our forefathers after centuries of hatred and blood spill.”

The political and financial pundits agree. “Either European leaders succeed in reenergizing European integration, or the EU will lose relevance for its citizens and become marginal,” said Janis Emmanouilidis of the European Policy Center.

For Germany and its pro-integration partners, there’s one major stumbling block: Britain.

While the financial crisis is causing European leaders to push for more integration, in Britain it has reignited the debate over Britain’s membership of the European Union. The consensus, among both Euroskeptics and Europhiles, is that the financial crisis provides the opportunity for London to reconfigure its relationship with Brussels.

It’s no surprise that Europe’s crisis has boosted Britain’s anti-EU movement. Recent polls show that 70 percent of voters want a vote on Britain’s membership in the EU and that given the opportunity, 49 percent of voters would cast their ballot for Britain to leave Europe. The reason for the growing antipathy toward the EU is simple: People are concerned that Britain will be pressured to contribute more and more funds to rescuing the project. As the Daily Mail noted yesterday, people are realizing that as the crisis unfolds Brussels will seek more power over member states, not less.

Even many Europhiles, those who believe Britain belongs in a united Europe—a group that includes Prime Minister David Cameron—recognize that Brussels’s influence needs to be curtailed and that London needs to repatriate some of its powers from the EU.

Meanwhile, a large contingent of Europe’s leaders want more integration, more government, more rules.

You don’t need a PhD to see where this is heading!

The fact that Britain and Europe are on a collision course was evident at a meeting of EU leaders last weekend. There Prime Minister Cameron warned that all 27 EU member states must play a role in solving Europe’s financial crises and determining Europe’s fate. That’s fair, right? As Bruno Waterfield wrote in the Telegraph, Cameron is concerned that the 17 eurozone states “will create a Franco-German-dominated ‘caucus’ that could hijack the EU’s single market for its own ends.”

Although it was a reasonable request, the British prime minister’s remark didn’t sit well with Europe, especially France’s president. “We’re sick of you criticizing us and telling us what to do,” Nicolas Sarkozy retorted. “You say you hate the euro, you didn’t want to join and now you want to interfere in our meetings.” Apparently Sarkozy and some of his European allies even attempted to squeeze Britain out of yesterday’s meeting of EU leaders in Brussels.

Perhaps it was undignified, but Mr. Sarkozy’s remark embodies the popular sentiment in Europe when it comes to European unification and Britain. From the moment it joined the EU in 1973, Britain has been a primary cause of the cumbersome, slow-moving nature of European integration.

The EU has put up with Britain as a millstone around its neck—till now. As the financial crises intensify, threatening the EU’s existence and highlighting the need for further integration, expect greater tension and animosity to develop in the Britain-EU relationship. In the months ahead, expect the EU, with Germany at the vanguard, to push for a stronger centralized government, which will require member states relinquishing more power to a federal European authority.

And as Europe forges ahead with its quest for more integration, expect it to collide with Britain!

Prior to his death in 1986, Herbert W. Armstrong spent 50 years using biblical prophecy to forecast world events. His keynote prophecy was that a colossal German-led religio-political superstate would emerge from Europe. “The stage is all set!” he wrote in 1956. “All that’s lacking now is the strong leader …. Germany is the economic and military heart of Europe. Probably Germany will lead and dominate the coming United States of Europe.”

Today the term “United States of Europe” is bandied about often in discussions about what’s currently happening in Europe. But notice, Mr. Armstrong was employing this term as early as 1956, and in reference to the very superstate now forming in Europe! Notice what else he said about this coming European powerhouse.

“Britain,” he explained, “will be no part of it!”

Like Mr. Armstrong, Trumpet editor in chief Gerald Flurry has for more than two decades now delivered this same prophecy of the formation of a German-led United States of Europe—one that will not include Britain. For years the Trumpet has told its readers to expect Britain to either leave or be tossed out of Europe. This moment now looks imminent!

By TIUCHE (wrote 2733 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/31/2011 08:48 am

Rich,
I am shaking because of what I read in your commentary item no 14. On Sunday evening I started reading the Book of Daniel begining from ch 1. When I reached 2 v43, something happened - I was taken to Gen 6 v4. One thing I remember now is that before I started reading, deep inside me, I prayed to God to reveal to me the Book of Daniel. Exactly what you wrote in comment no. 14 was ministered to me on 12th June 2011. I have been sharing with other people since then. Out of curiousity, I started searching commentaries on Dan 2 v43 on the internet and saw your comments(independent). In the mouth of two or three witnesses every matter shall be established. Interpretation of Daniel 2 vision is the EXECUTIVE SUMMARY of the earth’s career from Nebuchadenezar unto this period. Hear this: The Lord’s coming is at hand as never before. To the Almighty God- The God of Abraham, and The God of Isaac, and The God of Jacob be all the Glory, Honour, Power and Majesty both now and for ever in Jesus Christ Name Amen!

By onyechukwu (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/16/2011 23:17 pm

Thanks Rich.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/18/2011 03:21 am

Roland,
I am not making an assumption about what the fallen angels know or don’t know about salvation and how it works. I know that salvation is a mystery even to the good angels. So, it is quite possible that the evil angels could be concocting a plan to get into God’s salvation plan. A plan that, for the reasons you stated, will fail.

Shalom

Rich

By Rich (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/18/2011 02:13 am

Rich,

I was responding to your supposition or theory in which you stated, “I speculate that the alien abduction that we hear a lot about, in these near-end times, are the fallen ones trying to mess with the gene pool. Maybe they have some whacky scheme to get in on salvation . . ..“

Have a Blessed Day!

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/17/2011 19:41 pm

Roland,
I agree 100% Did I say something to the contrary?

By Rich (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/17/2011 16:48 pm

Rich (Post #14),

Christ has already carried out His work on Calvary’s cross fully-God and fully-Man. No one can “mess” with His gene pool. Jesus Christ did not die for angels. So, there is nothing angels can do to get in on salvation. God has already judged Satan and his angels. But, God decided to delay sentencing awaiting resolution of the angelic conflict. There is nothing Satan and his angels can do to avoid sentencing to the Lake of Fire. Satan knows his time is coming near to an end. His main objective is to destroy all Jews.

Pray for the peace of Jerusalem!

By Roland G. (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/17/2011 01:35 am

Roland,
Thanks. We agree much more than we disagree but you seem to missing a key component. This is found in Genesis 6. “There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,”… All Nephilim were destroyed in the flood but not fallen angels.
The “and also after that” means that the angels kept trying, King Og was one of the Nephilim, as was the giant that David killed and his four brothers.
I speculate that the alien abduction that we hear a lot about, in these near-end times, are the fallen ones trying to mess with the gene pool. Maybe they have a some whacky scheme to get in on salvation, who knows. But too many abducties have had the experience totally stop when thy call out the name of Jesus Christ, making it clear that “aliens” are fallen angels.
The verse in Daniel 2:43 is very clear that the “mingle with the seed of men” strongly implies non-human and human mingling.
I think for now - or as long as “He who restrains” is restraining, these evil ones remain in the shadows along with the to-be-revealed anti-Christ.
Jesus also said that as it was in the Days of Noah so would it be in the second coming of the son of man. So if it was happening in Noah’s time it is probably happening now.

By Rich (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/16/2011 16:07 pm

Rich (Post #11),

The ten nations that make up the Revived Roman Empire will divide (Dan. 2:41). After they divide, the inhabitants of these nations will mingle with the seed of men, that is, they will intermarry. The objective here is to unify the ten nations once again, except stronger than before. Satan’s objective is to shore up the strength of the nations to wipe out the Jewish race before Jesus Christ returns. No Jews, no King of the Jews! But, Daniel says mingling of their seed will not work to make them a nation solid as iron throughout (Dan. 2:43). Some parts of the Revived Roman Empire will remain strong and some parts will remain weak.

If extraterrestrials, that is, fallen angels make up parts of the “people” of the Revived Roman Empire it is likely women will fall head-over-heels over them and will want to marry them almost immediately. God does cast Satan and his angels out of Heaven and to the Earth (Rev. 12:8-9). So, it is possible there will be intermarriage again with fallen angels, except this time with a different objective.

In the times of Noah, fallen angels mingled with the seed of men. Women were all drop-dead gorgeous back then and they immediately fell in love with these E.T. hunks. Satan’s objective back then, however, was to corrupt the human race so Jesus Christ could not incarnate as fully-God and fully-Man. Imagine the Second Person of the Holy Trinity born as fully-God, partly Man, and partly Demon seed? Jesus could not redeem humankind for only like kind can redeem like kind. So, God sent the flood to destroy all in the world saving only Noah and his family.

By Roland G. (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/16/2011 02:13 am

Personally, I find the idea of alien beings, whether demonic or extraterrestrial, somewhat inconsequential to this verse mostly because the interpreters are all over the map when it comes to these ancient Hebrew texts and I’m not a Hebrew scholar myself. In addition, I find the natural course of man’s “wisdom” throughout history as being such that population control is tantamount power. Intermarriage was used to destroy rival kingdoms as well as establish dominant kingdoms. I find this explanation quite satisfying and the signs of our present times certainly seem to support this. What nation is leading the way in the promotion of co-mingling not only nationalities but also economies and religions if not Europe.., the present day remnant of the Roman Empire?

However, as mentioned before, the time that Daniel is addressing will be a time of unprecedented spiritual activity on the earth.., holy AND un-holy! It is likewise not hard for me to imagine an invasion of demonic forces falling to the earth in nothing short of an “invasion” from beyond. I take Rev. 12:7-12 to be absolutely literal and still future.

By Scott Dale (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/15/2011 17:38 pm

Roland, I agree it is not space aliens. But your answer ignores the obvious statement that “they” tried to mingle with the seed(descendants, off-spring) ( זךע ) of men. The seed has to be different and large enough in population to be considered in the political framework described by Daniel. It is implied that “they” have to be different from men. The scripture does not rule out fallen angels.

By Rich (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/15/2011 16:33 pm

Gary (Post #9)

People often report seeing Unidentified Flying Objects around the world. No one knows what they are. There is no suggestion in the Holy Bible that God uses Unidentified Flying Objects carrying Aliens to help shape man. God does, however, use ministering spirits (Heb. 1:14).

Ezekiel was a prophet. He had miraculous visions and did not see physical objects flying in Earth’s atmosphere as man sees them. Unlike those flying objects that man sees, Ezekiel could provide detail about what he saw in his visions. In one vision Ezekiel described a flying object that carried the throne of God (Exek.1:15). I suppose you could call it an Unidentified Flying Object if you want to, but it was only a vision.

This verse has nothing to do with Aliens.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/15/2011 15:31 pm

If I wouldn’t have seen a UFO myself I might not have taken stock in the many sightings nor the many government men that have come forth about this secret subject. Now let’s say that in fact there are beings from other places coming here. Tell me how do they fit into the big picture in the bible. Who are they.
Ezekiel saw a wheel within a wheel and it was described like many sightings. Could it possibly be that God is allowing this and that they play a certain role in helping shape man?

By Gary (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/15/2011 13:59 pm

Gary Patrie (Post #7)

“They” in this verse is a reference to the ten nations that will make-up the revived Roman Empire, not Aliens.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/15/2011 13:28 pm

I am coming to the conclusion that Aliens are mingling (working and making plans,and associating) with Humans Underground. But are not cleaving (having sexual intercourse)to humans. Mingling and cleaving are quite different in the Hebrew definitions. I am believing that technology underground is advancing at the rate of 44 to 1 per year in comparison to above ground. In a 2 year period they (humans and Ets’)advance technologically 88 times faster than our mainstream lives here.
Et’s are not allowing humans enough technology in a trade off because they want the upper hand when the economy fails worldwide.

By Gary Patrie (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/22/2011 20:38 pm

Whether or not the Nephilim are among us today I do not know. Nor does anyone that I trust. But even if they are, it matters very little to me. At least if they show up it will be very hard for them to remain incognito. Surely the church, as well as everyone else, will eventually see that they are here.

However, what concerns me more are the plagues and demonic activity I DO see in the Book of Revelation. Chapter 9 is particularly distressing.., much moreso than I can imagine the Nephilim to be. In that vein, Antichrist himself will be much more formidable than any lesser hybrid demon/human.

But for what it’s worth, I don’t believe this verse is talking about the Nephilim. I am much more in agreement with post #3.

By Scott Dale (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/8/2010 04:47 am

I would like to say that I believe that Daniel 2:43 could be referring to fallen angels doing what they did in the days of Noah as recorded in Gen. 6. With all the reported alien abductions, I believe the purpose of abducting people is to create a hybrid race. Some of these aliens people have seen, could be a hybrid race that came as a result of fallen angels masquerading as space aliens and abducting earth people to take sperm and eggs to create a hybrid race, and some of the other “aliens” are the result of that. I am fascinated by the whole thing. It’s like the real Outer Limits, or the real X-Files.

By Christopher Chipps (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/7/2010 21:04 pm

I have been doing research similar to that of Stacy and Carol. It supports the theory that the Nephilim are indeed among us today - as the result of fallen angels attempting to mate with humans to spoil the human race or to inject themselves into it to gain salvation.
I suspect that the phenomenon of alien abduction may be part of these activities. I only pursue this as long as it fits within scripture.
All this is just too weird to be trusted carte blanche.
Stacy and Carol, I would like to compare notes and sources please contact me @ rich47jack@yahoo.com.

By Rich Jackson (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 9/16/2010 13:18 pm

If we compare the the later visions, we find that the fourth kingdom is divided and there are ten kings. A king has a kingdom of his own. So there are ten kingdoms, all from and having nature of the fourth kingdom. Iron stands for the Roman kingdom, a strong one. But the divided kingdom will have partly strong and partly weak like iron and clay. Some stated would be strong while other weak. These divided kingdomds will try to unite, with marraiage allaiances,but will fail. “By the seed of men” means inter marriages.

While our Lord Jesus talked about the days of Noah, he meant that the people at the time of the coming of our Lord will be quite carefree (eating and drinking, marrying andgiven in marring and building), and careless too? All the people would be so involved in their routine life, that God’s judgement will take them unawares, as it happened in the case of people in the days of Noah.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/9/2010 02:17 am

I would like to comment on Daniel 2:43….As of the last 9 months, I accidentally fell into learning about what is going on in the present time with the Illuminati and their agenda. As I furthered my research, a lot of what I learned, and tested by the word of God was about the Nephelim (alien agenda) and how they are here and living among us in the world, though controlled by the satanic powers of the Illuminati (NWO).

The great deception is unlike what us Christians could ever imagine, though I know it’s not for all to understand. I have struggled with the knowledge of what I’ve learned and always make certain that I’m balancing it with my relationship with Christ, which does come first. Yet, no matter how hard I try to walk away from it, it comes back with new revelation. I just prayed again asking God if this is not his will for me to continue learning about what’s to come, then pull me away from it. Yet, I feel the need to learn what I can.

Now, conversely when the bible speaks of the great deception, as the body of Christ we need to be aware of what that means. As we don’t know when Christ will return, not to mention the NWO already has greatly influenced what is going on in the economy, taking over Hollywood, the music industry and their continual goal of breaking us down, mentally, physically and financially.

Awareness is power, I pray that as the body of Christ we are not deceived any longer..

By Stacy (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/8/2010 14:53 pm

Some commentators have taken this to mean racial intermingling, others the mix of powerful and weak men in the empire or even matrimonial alliances. Yet others have completely ignored the verse. But the crux of the matter is what or whom is represented by ‘clay’. While we are reasonably sure that the iron part of the mix is the revived Roman Empire, we are not told, nor really given any clues, as to the identity of this clay..

Is it even possible that once more the Bible is harking back to the days of Noah, when the unholy union of the supernatural with the natural cause God to destroy everyone on the earth. Not at all an unlikely scenario considering this part of the vision take place in the very end times before God’s rock destroys man and Satan’s kingdoms.

The Bible tells us that in the days immediately preceding the return of Jesus Christ we shall find similar conditions to the days of Noah. Our Lord Himself linked these two epochs together and said that one is the parallel of the other.

“As it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man,” Luke 17:26. (cf, Matt 24:37)

And what does Scripture say about those days?

“… the sons of God came unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them: the same were the mighty men that were of old, the men of renown”. [See Genesis 6:1-4].

They shall mingle themselves with the seed of men???? Is this verse prophesizing the return of the Nephilim? [Also See http://www.inplainsite.org/html/days_of_noah.html]

By Carol Brooks (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/27/2009 01:03 am