Exodus 3: 7 Commentary

Scott continues with his list of self-damning words. I really have no idea what he tried to say in post 14 other than tripping over his own rudeness.

I am right. I read the Bible with comprehension and without prejudice. I do not need to behave in an unchistian and an unbeliever way. My comment that YAHWEH WAS A LOCAL GOD and that he was a WARLORD stands; you are obviously UNABLE to refute this. You lose. Again.

Your next post will be more of the same: insulting me, and LOSING the argument.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 16:06 pm

GODSPEED SCOT!

2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 15:38 pm

Re: #11 and 13

Charles continues to deflect. He’s as slippery as an eel. He ignores the substance and chases the phantoms. He strains at the gnat and swallows the camel. And if these techniques prove inadequate to his purposes, he re-writes the scriptures so that by his own authority they say what he wants them to say. He will only continue to do so because it is obvious that long ago he has hardened his heart toward the only Holy God who loves him.

To my brother Tiuche; yes, we do not agree on everything but I have never doubted your standing within the brotherhood of Jesus. Thanks for your affirming words. Also, please re-read my post #10 and you will see that I never called Charles a fool. I said that he is either a fool or a deceiver and now I know he is neither blind nor a fool.., nor a brother.

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 14:19 pm

Oops.. I just realized that quoting Prophet Scott Dale is a bad idea. In Post 11 I made the mistake of quoting something he had said in post 5 (Did he not read the reference to Gen 12:3?? Does he not know that it pre-dates Genesis 3:7 by nearly 500 YEARS?!) and repeated in post 10 (To my point; the God of Gen 12:3 who spoke nearly 500 years before His words in Ex. 3:7). For a moment I thought the prophet knew what he was talking about and in post 11 I said: “that’s why he was forced to look for relief in a book written 500 years earlier.”

Sorry! I normally check anything anyone claims for myself. For some odd reason I trusted Scott for a moment.

This 500-year gap between Genesis and Exodus is one of those fibs that are continuously made up here by people who know their arguments are false. Firstly, most people believe that Genesis and Exodus were written by the same author, and this author died at age 120. Secondly, even if there were different authors, most scholars do not see any large gap between the two. And thirdly, we’re not even sure that Genesis was written before Exodus was. Some scholars believe that Exodus was written first.

Watch out for anything that Scott says. Don’t make the mistake I did.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 13:18 pm

Charles: I agree with Scot Dale with what he describe you except for the word fool, do you know why? Because Jesus told us not to call a” brother” with that-but if Jesus would not have instructed that I will also call you that for that is the truth! Although since you are not a “brother” in the faith I think Scott Dale is excuse!

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 13:06 pm

Scott’s dictionary of self-damning words continue (post 10): blind, fool, whiner, tripe, blather, fool.. oops, you used fool twice! Surely there are lots of other self-damning words left; why waste the same word twice?

That’s all Scott’s postings are: a list of self-damning words. He isists on bringing up some verse in Genesis which, in his, uhm, mind (I almost let a self-damning word slip there, but I am not that dumb) does not agree with my interpretation of Exodus 3:7. He does NOT say why he disagrees with my interpretation, of course. In his heart of hearts he knows I’m right; that’s why he was forced to look for relief in a book written 500 years earlier!

But if he thinks that Genesis has a different take on Yahweh, then he is pitting Genesis against Exodus because there is NO DOUBT whatsoever that throughout Exodus God takes care ONLY of the ones he calls “his people” and commits genocide against all their neighboring nations. All the self-damning words that Scott is so fond of once again land him a clear defeat. There is no denying that a god who has “surely seen the affliction of my people” and then goes on to brutally murder everybody else is just a local warlord. “The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name” - Ex. 15:3.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 12:23 pm

Re: #7

Now I know that Charles is not blind; but how I wish he were. Since he is not, his remarks in #7 convince me that he is at best a fool; or at worst a deceiver. He accuses me of tirades rather than tackling issues; but this person is simply a classic whiner who refuses to face facts. He claims I’m “pitting one Bible passage” against another (Gen 12:3 and Ex 3:7). But is this what I am doing?

Only a fool would take my post #2 and 5 to mean I was pitting one Bible passage against another. I’d like to think that Charles is not a fool but perhaps I’m mistaken.

However; on the other hand, a deceiver might be inclined to take my post and reframe it as Charles has done so that a casual observer would think I was pitting one Bible passage against another. This is classic deflection and Charles is a master of the technique.

But, the truth is, my posts do NOT pit one Bible verse against another as Charles well knows. My posts pit Gen. 12:3 against his INTERPRETATION of Ex. 3:7.

To my point; the God of Gen 12:3 who spoke nearly 500 years before His words in Ex. 3:7 clearly reveals that He was no mere “local god” as Charles so stringently asserts. Only a fool or a deceiver could/would come to such a conclusion.

The tripe that this person continues to peddle is NOT benign. All he needs is one more cohort in his corner in addition to the one he already has and they could easily hijack this site into a mockery of Truth simply by their long-winded, unceasing blather. Admin; I appeal to you to make a ruling: What is the purpose of this site? Is it for “iron to sharpen iron” through sincere dialog and study; or for a “free for all” of every worthless idea under the sun that masquerades as Truth?

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/22/2011 06:13 am

Tiuche, trying to relate your post 8 to this verse:
1. Were the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites descendants of Adam and Eve?
2. Were some or all these people Yawheh’s chosen children? When God speaks of “my people” , as in this verse, is he including any of them?
3. Were any of them part of Yawheh’s “redemption plan”?
4. Was Yahweh their God?

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 18:18 pm

Yahweh the true God created Adam & Eve…but our first parent lost their way. Their children too behaved in ways that were self defeating & destructive. So God punished those wayward people with the worldwide flood. Then when people repopulated the earth from the three sons of Noah and their individual wives,many of the people that descended from them again started those sins again & invented the gods of their own imaginations and worship devils instead of the True God. They invented idols and their own gods behaving abominably and wickedly from their own delusions.

While all of this was going on,God called out His chosen people from Egypt and gave them His Oracle. the True God revealed and laid out His 7 Steps Plan of Redemption to the chosen people. The Redemption Plan which He promised our first parent to redeem them and their descendants now laid and revealed to the chosen people Israel.And when the proper time came, Jesus fulfilled the First Step of the Redemption plan…now we are called to fulfill the second and the third steps…and wait for God to fulfill the 4th steps of the Plan…remember the plan has 7 steps…

Though God did not reveal Himself to all people because of the darkness of the people minds, yet God never forget His promise to Adam & Eve…He had guided humanity through out history albiet in a very limited way.Why did God do this? If you know His 7 STep Redemption Plan you will understand what I am saying. God is calling out many but choosing only a few even today! Those chosen few must overcome and remain faithful to the calling. They are the few that walks the narrow road following Jesus…to be Kings and Priest- to be Teachers and rulers in the Coming Kingdom of God-The First Harvest-the Firstfruits!

Yahweh our God is a good God and He has a Plan for the Redemption of All-for all people are important! But if the wicked would keep on accusing Him of being a Hard God-that is their own business!

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 15:31 pm

Post 5 confirms what I said in post 3. Scott always resorts to tirades rather than tackle the issues. Scott, how can I like or not like your answers since you don’t give any?

My argument was that in Exodus Yahweh was a local god, worshipped by Jews only and caring for Jews only. Scott seems to claim that he refuted this with Gen. 12:3 “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.” He could have added Gen. 22:18 as well “And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.” Neither one refutes Exodus 3. Exodus 3 tells us that while the children of Israel were held in bondage in Egypt their promised land was inhabited by various people worshipping other gods. These people were to be massacred by Yahweh. Perhaps in your mind massacring them and blessing them is the same thing!?

Scott, pitting one Bible passage versus another can only serve to discredit the holy book… sorry.. Holy Book - there, I am “upping my case” for you 

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 14:52 pm

CORRECTION to POST #5: last reference should be Exodus 3:7

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 13:57 pm

Post #3

Angry words? Angry WORDS??? The poster confuses confrontation with anger. How insecure must he be that he spews such nonsense and then cries ‘foul’ because he doesn’t like the response!

As yet, I have no anger at all in my words. If and when I do, there will be no mistaking it. The poster complains that I do not refute his reasons for the argument he has laid out. Is he blind? Did he not read the reference to Gen 12:3?? Does he not know that it pre-dates Genesis 3:7 by nearly 500 YEARS?!

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 13:54 pm

Scott Dale for your LOVE & Zeal toward our God and OUR Lord Jesus Christ, God’s Speed! The the Holy bible encourages tells both believers and unbelievers-DO YOUR THING…GO ON…JUST DO IT!

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Ezekiel 3:27 But when I speak to you, I will open your mouth and you shall say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says.’ Whoever will listen let him listen, and whoever will refuse let him refuse; for they are a rebellious house.

Daniel 12:10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.

By TIUCHE (wrote 3262 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 10:15 am

In post 1 I laid out my argument and I gave my reasons.

Post 2 does not refute my reasons. It says I “boast”, it says I use an “insulting lower case”, it calls my hermeneutics “twisted” without explaining why, and it calls my logic “blasphemy” and “arrogance”. That’s right: he manages to insert all those angry words in just one paragraph! But he does not refute the reasons I gave.

Anger does not an argument make.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 03:51 am

Poster #1 knows nothing of the scriptures or the covenants. He boasts that “Yahweh was god only of Israel” and was, therefore, a “local god”. Overlooking the insulting lower case “g”, poster #1 must’ve forgotten about Genesis 12:3 where the same “local” god declares to Abram; “ALL peoples on EARTH will be blessed through you”. This poster’s twisted hermeneutic spawns every kind of blasphemy imaginable and he posts these things with such confidence. Whoever heard of such nonsense as a “local god” except to say that such god is no more than a mere idol; a creation of man. What arrogance that this poster should attempt to reduce the Almighty Creator God to a splinter of wood or a chip of stone! Even now, he certainly delights in this obvious deceit for he has no regard for his Creator; but only for that which he himself creates.

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 03:04 am

“my people” means that Yahweh was god only of Israel. Yahweh was therefore a local god and, at this point in history, with no land of his own. He was not god of Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, all of whom had other gods. Yahweh’s plan was to destroy all these people and take their lands.

This is not the god that Jesus taught us about. Jesus never mentioned Yahweh who, as we have seen, was just a local god. Jesus taught us to worship a universal God - the God of everybody, and not just Israelis.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 11/21/2011 01:09 am