“And God said”
God issued a command.

“Let there be light:”
The singular form of “light” implies a singular heavenly luminary.

“and there was light.”
God exercised authoritative control or power.

Commentary by Roland G.
Posted on: 5/10/2010 01:44 am

Light means illumination in the hebrew. It does not mean colour.

Commentary by shawn
Posted on: 3/7/2010 05:08 am

Brian, I actually agree wholeheartedly with most of what you said in post 66 (is this a miracle?) Yes, you’re about possibilities and I’m about facts.

Possibilities are endless. Since everything is possible with God isn’t it also possible that he created the sun twice (in the first and in the fourth day, as the Bible indicates)? Or that he created the world twice? I’m not just making these up. The first Earth that God created did NOT rotate around the sun, so it obviously wasn’t the one that we’re living on today. So you can see I am basing this possibility on solid ground, if you excuse the pun. As you said, everything is possible with God. If you REALLY AND TRULY believe that God is all-powerful then you have to believe in ALL possibilities, not just the ones you come up with.

There are gazillion of possibilities. Every person in the world can make up his or her own possibilities. And many do. Which is why they don’t mean anything.

So maybe now you can understand why I stick with the facts.

It’s not a question of whether you believe or not. Everybody believes in something. The atheist believes that there’s no God. That’s a faith because it is not based on sience and cannot be proven, just like your faith and my faith cannot be proven either. Your faith is not more or less important that that of the Atheist or the Hindu or the Confucian or the Pagan.

Questioning your own faith or somebody else’s faith is a actually a sign of maturity. We would have fewer wars and more peace and happiness if we all learned how to question more and condemn less.

Commentary by Charles Fiott
Posted on: 1/13/2010 02:28 am

you know what charles you fail to miss my point every post.
It is about possiblity not about fact.
but you keep stating fact, which you cannot produce either.
It will only be speculation from any humans point of view.
You either believe it or you do not.
If you cannot accept that with God everything is possible, then it is a pointless discussion due to you limiting God’s power and making Him into just some simple almost a pagan type deity.
Hope you find the answer that will suit you but I cannot give you the answer nor will i ever agree with your stand about the sun being created first.
the light could have been a thousand things. I just stated color simply because its a possibilty. Energy is a possiblity.
But to you only a limited possiblities are logical and that seems to be human error.
The Jews were very strict when translating the bible.
In order to know what was really meant, one would have to get a hold of the original document that Moses wrote on and ask Moses himself or God Himself what they meant.
If anything the bible centers on Jesus Christ. He is the only light we really need to be looking at anyway.
He died for us so we were no longer seperated from God by sin. He is our redeemer. Now we can choose to believe Christ was the only begotten son of God or believe Jesus Christ was just another martyr or prophet or just a silly crazy guy.
I pray God helps you search for your answer but I will not longer respond to a redundant argument.
I see your point but it is almost like you cannot believe God IS powerful and with Him everything can be created.

Commentary by Brian
Posted on: 1/12/2010 22:33 pm

Brian, you are free to assume that the authors should have said “color” instead of “light”. Let me know if you ever find anyone who agrees.

But now you’re changing from “color” to “energy”. Energy makes more sense, but energy by itself does not sustain the growth of trees. You are fond to say that trees survived for only one day without sunlight, totally missing the point that they didn’t just survive the third day; they were CREATED on that day! But let me ask you once again to read Genesis 1:11-12:

11. Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so.
12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Now does this seem like a one-day miracle to you, or an entire biological process?

God did not create all the plants we have today in a single day. If that were the case we would still be in Day 3 of creation because new species are still being created. So what God created was not a finite set of trees and fruits but a biological process. A process that would ensure the regeneration of trees and fruits for millions of years to come. A process that depends on the sun. So do you really think you’re being logical when you suggest that God created trees and fruits without the sun somehow and then changed the whole system the next day?

When logic fails you, you always resort to the “everything-is-possible-with God” line. Sure! But if the system of creating trees and fruits was subsequently changed then the creation of trees as we know them did not happen on the third day but at some point later!

Ponder!

And don’t forget that it’s not just trees that can’t exist without the sun. The world can’t either. The world doesn’t spin without the sun. It is with the sun that “there was evening and there was morning”. Or is this another one of “everything is possible with God” things!?

~Charles

Commentary by Charles Fiott
Posted on: 1/10/2010 14:16 pm

To follow up on this:
When God made the light he could of filled the void with a great light and once He had no need for the light any longer he used space to seperate the light to create the sun and the stars.
God did create elements which would mean He also created the unstable elements and gases that would just need oxygen to explode or what ever elements he decided to bring forth. since the sun is nothing but gases that are combusting then what i stated and the previous post stated could make sense that the light was either an explosion (the big bang) or the light was just one great white light that was then seperated to create the sun and the stars.
Now if you cannot see any logic to this, then i do not see any point of discussing this issue with you because then i will know for a fact that no matter what i type you will just simply disagree with me because you can.

Commentary by Brian
Posted on: 1/10/2010 05:18 am

Charles,
Since you cannot accept other possibilities then i see no point of contesting with your “logic”.
You find it logical the author errored on on the day the sun was created, but you do not find it logical that the translation of color was turned into light.
You do not seem to find it logical that light could have been energy as someone posted previously.
You do not seem to find it logical that since God is God that He can do what would seem impossible to us.
You do not seem to find it logical that plants can survive for 1 day without sunlight.
So it seems, to you, the only logical explanation is your own personal theory that the authore errored on the creation of the sun.
So if that is the case then what would that make you?
No matter what anyone ever post it seems your answer is the only answer to you because it is “logical”
Well based on your logic that you do not even follow, since the author errored only on the creation of the sun and not the translation of a word that means no other possibility is left in your mind.
So in your mind only you can be right.
Well when you show me your proof, since you love to state how all i have is suppositions, then i will agree with you without the sarcasm.
But until then you are just as guilty as me by just only assuming what MIGHT have happened not what actually happened.
I happen to find that light could have been energy very believable, simply because that is all light is when it comes down to it, just energy.
But that will probably be illogical to you.

Commentary by Brian
Posted on: 1/10/2010 05:05 am

Brian, you’re getting too agitated now. And, no, “dude”, I really don’t care if you agree with me or not. I’m just basing my opinions on logic and I wish you could debate me on logic instead of all your could-be-this and could-be-that. Sure everything “could have been” with God, but God made a world that consistently relies on the laws of physics and my logic tells me that it’s more correct to assume that the authors got it wrong than to assume that God got his own laws wrong.

You started post #57 with this sentence: “If you state that authors can make mistakes and God does not then you would have to concede that the author made the mistake of translating color to light.” You restated this type of faulty logic in post #59.

Ok, so let me use your logic for once (and, believe me! It’s only going to be this one time If the authors make mistakes then you have to concede that they made a mistake when they said that there is brightness in heaven.

See, Brian, this is how you think! I don’t think like that. I think like a human (as you have quite correctly accused me of). Apparently you think that thinking like a human is base. Well, Brian, I was created a human and I am happy to think and feel and act like one. Apparently you are a god and can’t understand lowly creatures like me!

Commentary by Charles Fiott
Posted on: 1/9/2010 13:03 pm

we as humans can create so much, look at our modern marvels. if you had pulled a human being from the early 19th century or even pres washington and told him that will be a device called a DROID that will speak to you and show you a live feed of video of anywhere in the world (Google earth for example) and also is able to have you contact anyone in the world even in china etc(you get the point with other high tech inventions) they will not believe you simply because the laws of common sense and science even back then will not support this claim in HIS time and to his possible knowledge, hell they are working on ionic transports of inanimate objects! Hovercrafts? Flying vehicles LOOK UP: M200G Volantor, Things that defy gravity and carry a human being on distances and refuel?

My point here is without the knowledge of how to, one cannot comprehend the facts to its fullist and would have to reject the idea of creating such things in that way or one would have to rely on belief untill that knowledge is revealed. I mean even the genius would simply theorize and experiment to prove a THEORY of the facts as to how to create or make, look at albert einstein! He theorized to the brinks of madness! Not comparing einstein to God or anything like that more like comparing one human to another to show a clear point. Maybe God has his own methods or devices to “create” that if he reveals would over power our simple minds even. I mean look what knowledge would do to masses of humans? Riots, panic, violence? Maybe the truth of how existence came about technically speaking is such powerful knowledge that it contains the truth of our own ending? Whether be is in a peaceful bedrest of oldage end or violent horrifying way?
Simply it could be an act of mercy, however the fact that our curious wandering minds need something so it was written in the simplest of ways” Let there be light” to spare us consequences of such knowledge? But then again in the afterlife our end will not matter if we are in heaven? Will it not? Then logically this knowledge maybe revealed to us. Yet our curious minds ponders such as this discussion overcomplicating simple truth and overanalyzing scriptures that were perhaps meant to be in that simple to the point way.

That is all.

Commentary by anonymous
Posted on: 1/9/2010 08:40 am