Genesis 1: 3 Commentary

Perhaps God/dess made the science of light and made her/himself light so thus good is light. I’ve always wondered why light is good. It’s so simple though because you can see in light, it is miraculous to behold, and not one candle can be put out by all the darkness in the world. ^^ So perhaps, God/dess was making the law of light.

By allykakally (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/9/2010 03:35 am

Dude whatever. You do not know. you just ignore everthing else and you WANT someone to agree with you.
You stated yourself authors make mistakes but you won’t accept that light could have meant color, no instead you insist that the sun HAS to be there when the sun doesnt appear til the third day.
You will not accept that God being all powerful could allow the plants to live without the sun.
You limit the power of God.
I even gave you scripture stating heaven has no sun because the glory of God is bright.
This is not enough for you.
You keep thinking like a human.
If God IS God then I will not rule out He CAN make light without the sun.
but if you cannot then why even bother posting a question or even make posts when you just want to tell others they are wrong and you are right.
You continue to say nope you just have suppositions, nope that cannot be possible.
I can see why the other guy quit.
Because you just want me to say you are right.
Well i will give it to you
You are right. End this post and I’ll see you in the sunless heaven that somehow manages to have light

By brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/9/2010 01:07 am

Bryan:

The idea that God created color in the first day is purely and completely yours. I congratulate you for such originality. But if you want to be taken seriously you need to have a stronger basis than that the author “could” have made a particular mistake or that there is a “possibility” of this or that. All you have is a bunch of far-fetched suppositions.

No matter how hard we try to disguise the words of the Bible, the light of Genesis 1:4 could only come from the sun. Color does not change the evening into the morning. The sun does. Holy light does not grow plants and fruits. The sun does. And Jesus is absent from the entire Old Testament, so putting him in the first chapter of Genesis is just a figment of the imagination. Only the sun makes any logical sense with Genesis 1:4.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/8/2010 21:12 pm

If you state that authors can make mistakes and God does not then you would have to concede that the author made the mistake of translating color to light.
If God is truly God then God could possibly make light without needing light producing objects.
And the city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and the Lamb is its light.”
(Rev. 21:23)
So the possiblity that Christ is the light i will not rule out.
Also God spoke things into existence considering He said “let there be a light” and there was a light.
So speaking light into existence could mean He asked Jesus to come forth or His glory became so great that light simply appeared.
There is so many possiblities with the beginning, only because God’s power is unlimited.
I do not know since i was not there so all my post are simply theory as yours are too.
Like you stated authors make mistakes, but I do not beleive God would let so many bibles go published that are deceiving every single christian on the earth.
I enjoyed this discussion, but you might be trying to answer this question for the rest of your life.
I figure when we get to heaven we will see and understand why God can do the impossible.

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/8/2010 01:43 am

Jason, what has this got to do with Genesis? My reference was to the “evening and the morning” sequences which we find in Chapter One of Genesis. ANY light source (a light switch, a flaslight, a fire, etc) can make a difference between darkness and light but ONLY THE SUN can make the transition from the evening to the morning. I don’t know how to explain this in any simpler terms.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/30/2009 01:38 am

RE: “Only, I repeat ONLY the sun separates day from night.”

Ac 26
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way A LIGHT FROM HEAVEN, ABOVE THE BRIGHTNESS OF THE SUN, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them FROM DARKNESS to LIGHT, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

By Jason Elder (wrote 314 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/30/2009 01:15 am

Ok, my friend. Let’s follow the scriptures.

Does Genesis 1:3 say “Let there be color”? Sure there is relationship between color and light but they are NOT the same thing and therefore your argument is not germaine. Either we’re going to follow the scriptures or we’re not.

1:4 He divided the light from the darkness and he referred to the evening and the morning, that is to say day and night. Only, I repeat ONLY the sun separates day from night. So God has already created the sun by now. God does not make mistakes. Authors do.

1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.
You said “You’re telling me plants cannot survive whatsoever without light during the night?” No, I’m not saying that. I’m saying that plants could not be CREATED in the first place without the sun being there first.

What you’re trying to say - that God created the seeds and let them germinate overnight until he created the greater light - is in direct contradiction with the scriptures. The scriptures tell us that there was grass and trees and fruit before the greater light came into existence. Please read Genesis 1:12 again. This line blows your photosynthesis theory totally away.

I am following the scriptures. You aren’t.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/28/2009 14:51 pm

ok dude lets follow scripture one step at a time
Genesis 1:3 - God said let there be a light ( i say God was referring to color since prior to that it was dark)
1:4 He divided the light from the darkness (The way i look at is this: He separated white from black)
White is day black is night
that was all the first day
Genesis 1:6-1:9 the second day He separated the waters and brough forth the land… no need for sun yet
The third day He created the plants.
Ok now think about it He created the plants for one day.. they already got soil and water and all that is lacking is light… well lets continue on shall we?
the fourth day is this here: Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night: He made the stars also.
Ok so lets do a summary. You’re telling me plants cannot survive whatsoever without light during the night?
Considering light does exist just in its purest form of white and darkness exists already in its purest form of black.
So the plants what color were they? Were they brown dull looking plants or black or were they green already? You see He had to have color already and the photosynthesis process was going to happen the very next day.
I do not know what your actual argument is.
I can simply see that without God it probably would not be possible but we are talking about God creating all this, so i am pretty sure if God IS God then surely the plants stayed alive soley of His power or since they were so pure already they did not neccesarily need light immediatley, but seeing that they did needed light right away God made the sun (which if you read it correctly, they bible simply says ” a greater light and a lesser light” so it is never actually written He made “the sun or the moon” it is all reffered to lights.
So still people who say sun or moon are not reading the bible correctly.
Now notice after the plants do its photosynthesis, notice He creates the animals who have to BREATHE?
Notice God created land for the plants?
Notice God created the water first basically saying the Earth was round and in a bubble and then brough forth land?
You are missing key components of the bible and trying in a very reaching way to say plants cannot exist without the sun whatsoever FOR ONE DAY. Dude what about plants that are in houses for days then planted outside later?
Do an experiment take a plant and just leave it in a dark room for ONE DAY then put it outside. If the plant dies in one day well then i concede but if the plant somehow still is alive then maybe it is possible for God to let the plants absorb water first so when He made the light photosyntheis could occur immediately.
I really do not think you will see it any other way but yours so it seems like a pointless argument.
Respond if you like but, to me, you will look at anthing else to avoid the actual truth.
You seem to think the sun HAS to be there for earth to exist when the first time the sun has to actually exist is for the plants which God creates the very next day. Not like God created all life first then was like “woops forgot the ol sun” and throws it in there for life to sustain.
He created the sun the very next day for the plants to photosythensize and create oxygen for the world then creates the very animals that breathe the air and eat the grass.
oh well believe what you want.
Brian

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/28/2009 01:11 am

Brian, you’re missing a very basic fact. And this is why at first I couldn’t follow what you were trying to say. You’re missing the fact that the sun is a physical object without which Earth cannot exist. So, contrary to what you said, God HAD to create the sun. And he had to create it BEFORE there could be Planet Earth.

Whether he had to or not, he DID create the sun specifically. That happens in Gen. 1:16 Problem is he creates it out of sequence - after Earth and before the other stars! The authors didn’t even know that the sun was just one of the stars, or that the other planets were not stars. They just didn’t know anything in those days. No surprise they got it all wrong.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/21/2009 00:03 am

No God did not have to create the sun… He just had to create the spectrum of which the sun is. If you look at wavelengths you have radio waves microwaves xrays gamma rays and between all that you have the color spectrum
So if God just adjusted the wavelength such as gamma rays to be the color blue then adjusted all the other primary colors to get green and everything else then all He would have to do is combine the wavelengths to create the color white.
I believe he just made color (light) in the darkness. so the waters were no longer black but turned blue. if you put the color red in the middle of space which that wavelength is about 650nm.
If God wanted red in the universe He surely could just make the universe red instead of black or he could make it white and keep just the earth black.
Either way a God that is powerful enough to create heaven and earth surely could just create light without the sun or without stars.
We humans only associate the sun with light but what color do we see the sun? we see it as yellow. but what created the yellow?
even meteors are gray in space. everything is a color for a reason. God’s spirit did move along the waters so He could have just created a rainbow in space. No one knows how God did it. but the ways i explained seems rational enough to me to think its is possible.
anyway this is the last post.
thanks for hearing me out.
Brian

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/20/2009 21:50 pm

Thanks, Brian, for that clarification.

It is true that you do not need the sun to have white walls, but you do need light to notice that the walls are white. When you’re fidgeting in total darkness you do not discern color.

When God divided the light from the darkness and called it day and night he had to speaking of the sun. That’s the only light that separates day from night. So, according to Genesis, God created the sun twice!

Charles

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/16/2009 13:53 pm

But God divided the light from the darkness and called it day and night.
So in context the bible is not talking about Christ. Christ is first mentioned metaphorically when speaking to the serpent.
As for light, you do not need the sun to have white walls do you?
So what I am saying is God created white light from the darkness.
That is simply changing the wavelength to get that to happen.

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/16/2009 12:21 pm

Brian,

I am sorry that I did not respond to your answer. God in my opinion did as the word tells us but your description of bending the light is not what I would call revealing what I believe is the light of his Son Jesus. If we as believers cannot believe the supernatural power of the almighty God then what we read in the Bile is nothing more than a fiction novel. There is no other explanation in my mind that God revealed His Son according to that verse. He reveals the Holy Spirit in verse 2 and being the God of order He has to reveal His Son from the start to reveal what He will use as a metaphor to explain the existence of our Savoir.If we cannot believe that God almighty can reveal what He wants to reveal when He wants to reveal it, then we have completely lost any chance of knowing who God really is and know Gods will for our lives. Maybe we it is all semantics. But this is how we as people searching for answers find those answers. By asking questions and revealing what we think is the answer according to answers we get from the questions we asked. Np argument and no animosity from me. I use strong language because that is all I know how to do. Please forgive me if I offended any one from my commentary. But that commentary is my belief that I get from reading the scriptures and from the answers I get from my questions.

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/13/2009 04:10 am

Brian, I did not ignore you. I read your post 39 over and over agan but could not make out what you were saying. Same with post 46.

My issue is that without the existence of the sun the first three days of creation could not have possibly occurred the way the Bible describes them. The evening could not have transitioned into the morning without the sun. Plants could not have grown without the sun. Earth itself could not exist without the sun.

And my pet peeve is people who keep trying to read things into the Bible that are simply not there. If the Bible is wrong let’s for God’s sake admit that it’s wrong and not try to reword and reinterpret everything it says.

I’ll be happy to debate you if you can be kind enough to clarify your position. I promise I won’t bicker

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/12/2009 20:13 pm

and also to reply to you saying “Jesus is the light” contradicts the bible by these to scriptures.
Genesis 1:1 IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.
John 1:1-1:5 IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS THE WORD. THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. HE WAS MADE WITH GOD IN THE BEGINNING. ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM, AND NOTHING WAS MADE WITHOUT HIM. IN HIM THERE WAS LIFE, AND THAT LIFE WAS THE LIGHT OF ALL PEOPLE. THE LIGHT SHINES IN THE DARKNESS , AND THE DARKENSS HAS NOT OVERPOWERED IT.

What you are saying when God seperated DAY FROM NIGHT is the same as seperating Jesus from Satan.
When both those verses clearly state together that Christ was with His Father in the beginning.
God seperating day from night is completely different and as i stated before it is God controlling the waves of colors.
Anyway you two probably ignore this comment and still bicker about something that seems so obvious

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/12/2009 18:15 pm

i do not get the point to you two arguing.
Neither one of you are even talking about the subject you are talking about the authenticity of the bible which is impossible to prove since none of us were there and none of us have the original copy.
You both take it by faith that what you read is true and what you read is not leading you astray or false doctrine (i hope).
I answered the stupid question about light and you both ignored it and still bicker about something that seems so pointless if you are christian.
i pray for both of you to end this nonsense and JUST STICK WITH THE SUBJECT.
anyway i just want to know if my answer is stupid, , makes sense or did it change somebodys mind. -_-

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/12/2009 18:05 pm

John, you know you’re not telling the truth. If someone really had the original books of the Bible he or she would be famous. You’d be able to give me his name or tell me which museum or church has them. If there is a legitimate translation of the originals tell me the name of the publisher or give me the ISBN number. You can’t just keep making things up and call people who disagree with you fools. This is irresponsible and rude. Only people who are in the wrong resort to name calling. Jesus didn’t teach us to behave like this.

My statement about the scribes commiting many errors is far from being unfounded. If you want documeneted examples of some of these errors read the book “Misquoting Jesus” by Bart D. Ehrman, ISBN-13:978-0-06073817-4.

You totally misunderstood what I said about the original Hebrew language that some of the books of the Bible were written in. But you’re getting so belligerent now that I see no point in further trying to discuss anything with you. Your mind is closed.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/11/2009 11:43 am

Charles,

There you are agian trying to put words into peoples mouth that are not true. The original Bible is still in the hands of Israel along with the Dead Sea Scrolls that back up what the original Bible has said. The originators who were inspired by the Spirit of God knew that people as yourself would doubt the word of God so they kept it and have it in Israel. They also have used there own Language to write the Bible because of the exactness of the language. The lack of vowels that you talk about are only utilized in the translation from the original language to the English language by King James in 1500 AD. You have you facts all backwards. I can’t believe you are compairing the English language to the Hebrew and Greek language by saying there are no vowels in there language. Apples and Oranges.

Your statement about the scribes commiting many errors in the transcription of the Word of God is unfounded unless you have read the transcripts and can prove that they are not correct. They have been proven time and time again that they are true and are accurate. You spout words and accuzations about the Bible and from what I hear from you, you have not even read the word or even used it as a referance for anything other than your disgust for it. You do not believe in the God but do you believe in Satan? You do not believe that Jesus was the Light in Gen 1:3 and I can understand your argument due to your lack of Faith in the scriptures but Satan blieves in Jesus. But the real phenomenon is that you actual believe that the Scribes who translated the Bible to different languages actually had to guess at what God was saying in the original language. Only a fool can stipulate that as if it were true. That is almost on the verge of Blastfamie. There was no need for guessing. They transcribed exactly what God wrote in the original language but you are correct in stating that the Bibles of Today may be different because of the specificity of the priginal language. I.E. The word Love in the English language means a number of different things but we use the same word. The word love in the original is specific I.E “Agape” means Love between Husband and Wife, God and you, “Philashio” is brotherly love.

Your question is only unanswered because you have not researched it hard enough to actually find it. Gods word has and never will disappear. He states it through Jesus in the Bible. Plus the Bible has been on the best sellers book list longer than any other book in the history of the world. not bad for a book that you stated had disappeared.

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/11/2009 02:42 am

John, you seem unable to separate belief from fact. You keep defending the Bible as the word of God but you have not denied the fact that the original Bible is no longer in existence. You can’t maintain that “Gods word never disappeared.” or that “the accuracy of the Old Testament is phenomenal” without being able to produce God’s word (the true, original one) and prove its accuracy. You are making unsustainable claims.

Perhaps your argument is or should be that even though the originals are gone, we can still rely on the copies we have around. Well, no, we really can’t. Contrary to what you indicated, scribes have committed many errors. We’re talking about changes, deletions, additions and omissions; some minor, some major; some unintentional, others intentional. And if the bibles of today are different from those of the 4th century one can only imagine how much more different the original books must have been, especially when you consider that some of the books were written in a language that had no vowels and reading/translating them involved a lot of guesswork.

The original Bible has disappeared. That’s a fact. My question remains unanswered: Why did God allow his word to disappear?

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/10/2009 14:43 pm

thank you

By ISRAEL (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/10/2009 09:55 am

Charles,

Gods word never disappeared. The Bible is comprised of 66 separate writings or books. It was written over a period of approximately 1400-1800 years by more than 40 authors from various walks of life. While many of the authors are identified some remain unknown. All Scripture is inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16). Men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God (2 Peter 1:21) The Greek word for inspired, THEOPNEUSTOS, means “God-Breathed” The Holy Spirit carried men along, moving and guiding them as they wrote in their own words what God wanted them to say. Thus we have verbal inspiration, because the words of the original text were inspired by God. And because all Scripture was given by inspiration we have plenary inspiration which means total or complete inspiration. Every part of the Bible is inspired. The Bible does not merely contain the words of God, but it actually is the word of God. Thus the original writings, often called autographs are infallible, without error. This concept is called the verbal, plenary inspiration of the autographs. In the early history the writings were done on stone, clay tablets, leather (animal skins), and papyrus scrolls. The New Testament autographs were probably written on papyrus. Papyrus was made from the inner bark of a reed plant, was formed into a paper like material which was glued together and rolled into a scroll. The scrolls were kept in a cylindrical box called a capsa. According to the Jewish Talmud the Scriptures were to be copied only on the skins of clean animals such as sheep, calves and goats. Eventually the scrolls were replaced by the codex. The codex was made from folded sheets, quires, which were stitched together like a book. Copies of the Old Testament were transcribed by hand under the strictest measures. The men who copied the manuscripts were called scribes. If one error was found the entire copy was destroyed. Thus the accuracy of the Old Testament is phenomenal. This accuracy has been confirmed by the Septuagint and by the Dead Sea Scrolls.
Charles, the word has never been silenced. The Bible is the only book to maintain it’s doctrinal accuracy over the centuries. Tyrants have tried to destroy it but they have not succeeded. The Bible is written in 2 Primary Languages, Hebrew and Greek with a few phrases in the New Testament in Aramaic because that was the vernacular of the people of Israel. The word has never been silenced but it has been the thorn in the side of many a people that have not wanted to following Gods teachings. The word has never disappeared. It has and always will be here and is spreading to places where they have to teach and preach in underground churches like in China. (Reference The New Inductive Study Bible).

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/10/2009 08:19 am

ok i dunno if this will make sense or if someone typed this already.
First we have to look at what is light. Light is a wavelength varying the wavelength makes it brighter or darker, so in essence God created the heavens and the earth but everything was created in darkness meaning darkness existed in a sense what is black?
Black is lack of color, what is white, white is all the MAIN colors combined. notice when you make color it eventually either goes to black or white.
So what God did was adjust the wavelength to get a brighter color for everything so really God did not need the sun He just need to adjust what He had already created from long ago when He made Heaven.
Think about it we get the history of a little bit of Heaven from the bible but we do not know how long Heaven was there so really God could have created the blackness long before because He knew Lucifer would rebel against Him.
Anyway I hope this clarifies how light can exist without the sun.
Look at color wavelengths and you will see what i mean
Thank you and God bless

By Brian (wrote 11 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/10/2009 00:38 am

John:

The Bible’s narration of the creation story moves from one day to the next with the words “the evening and the morning”. Now I’ve never been to heaven (and you probably think I never will:) It may be that in heaven you have to wait a thousand years for a morning. But heaven was already created on or by the very first day. The creation of the sea and the fruits and the trees happened on Earth, not in heaven. Therefore the evening and the morning were EARTHLY days. I can’t understand why you want to shift the seven days of creation from Earth to heaven.

But even if each day on Earth lasted 1000 years, how would that advance your argument? You arrived at the (logical, in your view) conclusion that the plants grew by the light of Jesus. But it is YOUR conclusion. It’s not what the Bible says or indicates. I have a (very logical) conclusion of my own, which is no doubt anathema to you: the Bible writers simply made a mistake.

I know I’m pushing the envelope with you now, but NOBODY knows what the “original” text of the Bible said. The original Bible books are long gone and the earliest copies we have date from around 400 AD - long after Jesus came and went. We know for a fact that many changes and errors were made as the Bible was copied and rewritten over the centuries, so we can only surmise how many changes and errors had already occurred between the originals and the earliest surviving copies. So here’s a question for you. This is a question I have posed before on this forum but nobody gave me an answer. If the Bible is the word of God, why did God allow his word to disappear?

Charles

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/8/2009 13:56 pm

Charles,

We are still talking about the Creation of Earth. One day in Heaven is as if 1000 years on Earth. So the plants and all that were created on it at that time were still in the light that God greated without the Sun as we know it. There is no other explanation. If you read the Old Testiment you are correct that Jesus was not mentioned, but through out the Old Testiment the they reference the Light that will save and give life. Isaiah, Jeramiah, Lamentation and so on. They all refer to the light but not the Sun in the sky. I am in agreement with you that you have to take the Bible word for word, but you cannot explain in Gen 1:3 why there is light in the world but God had not created the Sun as we know it yet. And you still cannot explain how the vegitation lived for 1000 years on this earth before God created the Sun as we know it. This is not a misprint because the original Language in Hebrew refers to the same text that God revealed the light before he created the sun. Jesus said that He is “The Way, The Truth and the Light and no man comes to the Father except through Him. Please get discernment Charles because you sound like a man who is refered to in
1 Corithians 2:14. You cannot understand the word of God without being Spirit Filled by God.

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/8/2009 05:47 am

John, again, you are changing the Bible to your own purposes. Genesis says nothing at all about Jesus. You just keep making things up.

As far as one year in heaven being worth 1000 on Earth… well, ok, but we’re talking about the creation of Earth, not heaven. So one day is still one day.

God may have supernatural powers, but you don’t. You do not have the power to interpret things in any way you want. You have to stick with the words of the Bible. Who are you to put Jesus and the Trinity in Genesis where none exists? If you really believe in the Bible you should accept it as it is written. With all its wonders and with all its flaws.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/5/2009 16:04 pm

Charles,

Fact: Day and Night were created before there were the Sun and the Moon. Gen 1:5 God had created the day from night without the Sun as we know it but yet there was light to seperate the darkness, the light of the Son Jesus, how else could God have created the first day.

Fact: You are correct when you say that the Sun needs to be there first to keep the plants and trees alive. God created the plants and tress and vegitation first a full day before he created the Sun Gen 1:11. Now if we can believe what the Bible says about One day in Heaven as if a 1000 years on Earth 2 Peter 3:8, Then we can summize that the vegitation that God created was on Alive via the Light that was revealed by God for a a full day or a 1000 years before the Sun was created. You are basing your assumtions and putting God back in a box that you have in your finite mind that tells you that God could not have created the vegitation before the Sun because they al would have died. Now there you go again making assumtions on science as we know it today and gives not validity to the word of God and his super natural power. Just your finite mind that limits you to believe that the almighty God could not make vegitation life without the sun we know today. The Bible tells you he did and you don’t believe it. That also leads me to believe that you do not believ that the Bible is the true and inherent word of God. It also leads me to believe that you only believe what you see and not what you don’t see. Remember what you don’t see is eternal. 2 Cor 4:18.

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/5/2009 05:22 am

John, there are beliefs and there are facts. The two are not the same. Actually these two terms are exclusive of each other. Beliefs are by definition NOT facts.

What you believe and what I believe is important to you and me but does not carry any weight in a debate. We can and should expound and defend our beliefs and disbeliefs, but at the end of the day only facts matter.

Fact: The transition from the day into the night and the night into the day can only occur as a result of the sun’s movement. No other light can do the trick. Do you agree with this simple truth?

Fact: Forests do not proliferate without sunlight. Artificial lighting can keep some plants alive, but the creation of trees around the world required the sun to be there first. Do you agree with this simple truth?

Based on the above Genesis’ account that the sun was created after the days and nights had already been established and after the world had already been populated with plants is false. Q.E.D.

You can believe what you want, but you can’t treat your beliefs as truths. If they become true (i.e. you’re able to prove them) they are no longer beliefs. They become facts. If they become false (as shown above) you have a choice: modify your beliefs to comply with reality or mock your own intelligence by ignoring it.

One more fact: There is no mention at all of the Trinity in Genesis. You have to admit you made that up.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/4/2009 14:42 pm

Charles,

Look at what you are saying. If you believe in the power of the one true God then limiting His power to just what you can see is the mockery. This light will be there even after the stars and the moon and the sun are taken away by God in Revelation. There will be no need for it due to the light that comes from within. Now when God said “let there be light” There was no sin on the earth so the need for the sun to grow plants and see was not needed at this time.

Your rebutle of my commentary shows that you limit God in His power and who He is. You mock God and limit who He is to your finite mind. When you can come to grips with who God is and that there is nothing, not one second that has gone by or will go by with out His knowledge or approval then and only then can begin to understand how much he loves you with all your sin.

John

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/4/2009 05:36 am

I keep having a problem with people who try to read things into the Bible that are absolutely not there. John sees the creation of light in the first few lines of Genesis as revealing the Holy Trinity: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Now, seriously John!! Genesis revealing the Trinity now!? How far can your imagination take you?

Let us recap this debate a little. Ths question is how was it that God created light first and then waited three days to create the sun? How did the day turn into night and back into day without the sun? How did the plants and trees grow without the sun? John, are you saying that the plants grew by the light of the Holy Trinity for a while and then evolved into getting their light from the sun later?

When you try to change what the Bible says you only make a mockery of it.

By Charles Fiott (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/3/2009 14:33 pm

In Gen 1:1,2 We see that the Earth was without shape and form and the Holy Spirit was hovering over the water. But where is the Trinity? Does this happen to take place in verse 3 where God commands “Let there be Light” but from where did this originate if the moon, stars and sun were not created yet but we had light? The Soverign Will of our Father is to have Light where there is no Light and to be the Light in the Darkness. Through his power we see that the Trinity was always there even in the darkness until Gods perfect timing when the Light was called to be revealed. The Trinity God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit has been revealed to the world since the beginning of time.

By John (wrote 8 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/3/2009 06:13 am