Genesis 3: 6 Commentary

Okay, Angel, hugs to you.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/28/2011 01:45 am

charles:
we may never see eye to eye but know this. We are on a journey to the heavenly kingdom and if we see each other there I will give you a hug for we are brothers in our LORD JESUS CHRIST…. GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS CHARLES….

By angel fraijo (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/28/2011 01:37 am

Dear Angel (post 39)

Isaiah 7:14 talks about a ‘virgin’ (or a ‘young woman’, depending on the translation you read). There are millions of virgins and millions of young women. Isaiah doesn’t give any names, so it could be anybody. Could be my spinster great aunt, for all you know!

He only gives a name for the child, and it’s Immanuel, not Jesus. These two names are NOT the same. Immanuel means ‘God be with us’ while Jesus means ‘Savior’. So he’s obviously NOT talking about Jesus, is he? If he was talking about Jesus why would he say Immanuel?

Daniel 9:25-26. Messiah is an Old Testament word. It meant a king like David - one who would lead the people of Israel against their enemies. The messiah of the O.T. was a winner of wars. On the contrary Jesus made it very clear that he was not talking about an earthly kingdom. He taught peace, not war.

Now I know that the N.T. tries to make Jesus the messiah, but Jesus himself NEVER claimed that title. Daniel did not say that Jesus was the messiah and Jesus did NOT say he was the messiah either; so why would I believe anybody else?

Habbakuk 2:14. Again, Habbakuk talks about the Lord, which meant God (Yahweh) in the O.T. Did Habbakuk mention Jesus? No, of course not!

All your other quotations are from the New Testament, so I am not going to comment about those. We both know that the N.T. claims that the prophets were talking about Jesus but, as I have again showed you, there is absolutely not one iota of verification of this in the OT. Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Did you know that Moslems also insist that the O.T. prophets were talking about Muhammad? Well, it’s true. They paste their arguments online too. But they are just as wrong.

FACT: The O.T. does not once mention Muhammad OR Jesus.

Take care.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/27/2011 23:58 pm

Tiuche, use new kid on the block angel fraijo as a model how a Christian can communicate with Charles without calling him names. We all can learn form each other, right?
A regular visitor.

By Chris (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/27/2011 21:30 pm

charles:
Sorry was a little busy. Anyways hope all is well with you. On with the WORD OF GOD. Now you said JESUS CHRIST/THE MESSIAH/EMMANUEL are never mentioned in the old testament but i will show you scriptures on this false assumption that JESUS was never mentioned in old testament. Now I could start with isaiah scripture 7:14

Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

But I know you will say ” NO…NO…NO… that could be any IMMANUEL/EMMANUEL and besides they are spelled differently. ” Even though a virgin did conceive… Mary ( mother of JESUS. ) Which is stated in matthew 1:18,22-23

Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 1:22-23
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

But now we are an educated race understanding more of the bible and realize there is only one MESSIAH/MESSIAS and it is mentioned throughout the new testament. For MESSIAH MEANS CHRIST. Which also means THE ANOINTED ONE. We know this and so does every church throughout the world. EVEN YOUR CHURCH. MESSIAH relates only to JESUS CHRIST. And yes they are spelled different because one is written in hebrew while the other is written in greek. Same with the names pertaining to Emmanuel. Now notice in daniel 9:25-26

Daniel 9:25-26
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Notice the word Messiah. Now read john 1:41 and matthew 1:16.

John 1:41
41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.

Matthew 1
16 and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Now also you say the genealogy of matthew 1:1-17 and luke 3:23-38 are different. Well they better be different because in matthew it is for joseph and the one in luke is for mary. YES…YES…YES… I know you don’t see it and it does not say that. Well lets see what it says.

Matthew 1:1, 15-17
1 The book of the generation of JESUS CHRIST, the son of david, the son of abraham.

Matthew 1:15-17
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;
16 AND JACOB BEGAT JOSEPH THE HUSBAND OF MARY, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.
17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

You see it now. This was for JOSEPH. The reason it starts with abraham is because JESUS is the SON OF GOD. For joseph is JESUS adopted father, and joseph is a seed from abraham as promised from GOD, and because also the angel gabriel told joseph mary is pregnant with JESUS by the HOLY GHOST. Plus Joseph lineage comes from solomon’s lineage. You know the son of david as stated in luke 2:4. Where as Mary is a seed from nathan; you know solomon’s brother. The other son from david. Now I know what your going to say NO IT DOESN”T SAY THAT. Answer yourself this then if every person shall be taxed according to luke 2:1-5 then why didn’t mary go to were she was born/registered to pay her taxes. Because her and joseph weren’t married yet. I know were does it say that. In like 2:5 as posted below. For she too was from the house of david which is stated in luke 3:31. Says it right there.

Luke 2:5
5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. ( Now espoused means engaged/betrothed/promised to ) So they weren’t married yet. so this should of been two different journey’s for their taxing.

Here is also the two different genealogies showing from matthew 1:6 of joseph and of mary from luke 3:31. Showing from king david’s two sons ( solomon and nathan ) were joseph’s lineage comes from; to were mary’s lineage comes from.

THIS IS FROM JOSEPH GENEALOGY STEMMING FROM SOLOMON ( DAVID’S SON )
Matthew 1:6
6 And Jesse begat David the king; and David begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias; ( and from here all the way to jacob; jacob begat joseph husband of mary as stated in matthew 1:16)

THIS IS MARY GENEALOGY STEMMING FROM NATHAN ( DAVID’S SON )
Luke 3:31
31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David, (

I PRAY THIS IS A BLESSING TO ALL WHO READ THIS AND HAVE THEIR QUESTION ANSWERED WHY THE GENEALOGIES WERE DIFFERENT FROM MATTHEW AND LUKE. SO YOU SEE THE BIBLE DOES NOT CONTRADICT ITSELF AND THIS GENEALOGY HAS BEEN PROVEN AS THUS STATED HERE.

FOR AS HABAKKUK 2:14 STATES ” FOR THE EARTH SHALL BE FILLED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE GLORY OF THE LORD, AS THE WATERS COVER THE SEA. ”

AND FOR ME PERSONALLY PAUL STATES THIS THE BEST IN 1 CORINTHIANS 1:1-9/17-31 AND 2:1-16. AS POSTED BELOW. FOR IT STATES THAT KNOWLEDGE OF MAN IS NOTHING COMPARED TO THE POWER OF GOD DEMONSTRATED THROUGH US FOR OTHERS TO SEE AND KNOW THERE IS A GOD. FOR THE WISDOM OF MAN IS NOTHING UNLESS YOU ARE BORN AGAIN THROUGH THE HOLY BLOOD SPILLED BY JESUS CHRIST AT CALVARY AND TO BE ABLE TO RECEIVE THE KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM, AND UNDERSTANDING OF GOD’S HOLY LIVING WORD FROM JESUS CHRIST. ENJOY AND GOD BLESS YOU ALWAYS……

1 Corinthians 1:1-9
1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their’s and our’s:
3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
5 That in every thing ye are enriched by him, in all utterance, and in all knowledge;
6 Even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:
8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 1:17-31
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 2:1-16
1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of

By angel fraijo (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/27/2011 20:30 pm

Angel (post 37), we’ve gone around this three times already. Paul, Luke and John made a conscious effort to put Jesus in the OT. So did Moslems scholars who believe that the prophecies in Deuteronomy, Isaiah and others were all about Muhammad. Their arguments are very convincing and very comforting to people who believe that the only way to paradise is through Muhammad.

In all your quotations you had to insert Jesus in paranthesis. Anyone can insert anybody’s name. If I believed in you, Angel, I could quote Hebrews 1:2 as follows: “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son (ANGEL FRAIJO), whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds”?

Anybody can interpret the past in any way they want, but NOBODY can predict the future. John claims that Moses was talking about Jesus, but did Moses say that? NO! John claims that Jesus was there from the beginning. But does Genesis say that? NO. And on and on. The New Testament talks about Jesus but the Old Testament DOES NOT.

I asked you if can find the name Jesus just once in the entire OT. Have you?

Well, you are not going to admit to that. It would be too discomforting for you. Religion is all about comfort - not much about faith, and clearly not at all about truth. And religion is local - if you were born and raised a Mormon, chances are you would be convinced that Jesus came to America; if you were born and raised in India, chances are you would be defending your Hindu beliefs; etc. etc. Faith is usually not a friend of truth.

Personally, I find my comfort in knowing that I am not fooling myself.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/23/2011 14:40 pm

charles: the bible is all about JESUS from beginning to end. how do you explain these scriptures then.

Hebrews 1:2
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son ( JESUS ), whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Colossians 1:16-17
16 For by him ( JESUS ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

John 1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word ( JESUS ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him (JESUS ); and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:10
10 He ( JESUS ) was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

John 1:14-15
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John ( the baptist ) bare witness of him ( JESUS ), and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.

Who are they all talking about? They are all talking about JESUS charles. And please; stop posting what man thinks because it’s all theories and opinions. There is no factual truth and if you say there is; that is being a hypocrite; even to what you base your knowledge on. For even in high school one learns that everything we discover or base our opinions/theories/hypothesis on is never really concrete evidence because nothing is ever open/shut. I already know what you’re gonna say but here is just a small example of that theory of yours and how it works. There is a room full of scientists standing in a circle; one leans over and whispers so no one can hear; and then this scientist leans over and begins to whisper what the first scientist says. Now this continues until it finally reaches the scientist who started it all. A totally different message. This is NOT GOD’S WAY. If GOD is DIVINELY PERFECT he never makes a mistake ever and GOD NEVER HAS. If you say he has then GOD IS NOT GOD. Yet you keep limiting GOD in every way. And please charles don’t post that everyone who wrote the bible is false as well because they are not.

By angel fraijo (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/23/2011 07:58 am

Hi Angel, you wrote about heeding individuals instead of heeding God. You said, for example, “We can quote many individual’s throughout history who claim to have an insight or understanding instead of HEEDING WHAT GOD SAYS AND SHOWS US.”

Well, Angel, I agree. Throughout history people like Moses, Zoroaster, Isaiah, Gautama, Jesus, Paul, Muhammad, and Harold Camping, just to mention a few, claimed to have an “insight or understanding”, as you said. When we read the Bible or any other holy book and quote these men we are not in touch with the real God. How can we reach God through men that send us different messages? To reach God we have to bypass all these men and connect directly with God spiritually.

With regard to Jesus being or not being in the OT, just read the entire OT and tell me if you find his name anywhere. You quoted a bunch of Bible excerpts, some of them from the OT. Sure enough, none of the OT passages you quoted mention Jesus. I have no idea why you took the trouble to list them. Again, please tell me if you find the word Jesus ANYWHERE in the OT.

As I said in my previous posting, NT authors tried very hard to link Jesus to the OT but in so doing only contradicted themselves. None of these NT claims holds up against cross-examination. I gave you two examples of this. I’ll give you more if you need.

For example one of the most popular claims is that the author of John claimed that John claimed that Jesus claimed that Moses wrote about him, and Bible apologists tried this to a Deuteronomy excerpt which predicts that a future prophet will be raised.

Okay, let’s look at the facts:
1. First of all, do we know for sure that Moses wrote Deuteronomny? No, we don’t. Moses actually died before Deuteronomy was finished.
2. Do we know which future prophet the author was talking about? No we don’t. Joshua is the most likely answer because he is the one that succeeded Moses. But it could also be any of the prophets that followed: Jeremiah, Daniel, Hosea, Malachi, Muhammad… any of these and more.
3. Didn’t the author talk about a future prophet? One that had yet to be raised? Yes, he did. If you believe that Jesus was with God from the beginning, then he couldn’t have been this future prophet yet to be raised, could he?
So, you see, this is just one of those attempts to link Jesus to the OT that fall on their face upon cross-examination.

Jesus is never mentioned in the OT. That’s a fact.
Jesus never wrote one single word of the Bible. That’s another fact.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/21/2011 21:41 pm

Here is a little something to think about charles.

Every man’s opinion and theory will and shall always fall and fail cross examination by any man but GOD’S HOLY LIVING WORD shall always stand as truth even when all is said and done for GOD has ordained it before all creation.

By angel fraijo (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/21/2011 19:15 pm

hey charles: hope all is well with you today and that GOD BLESSES YOU ALWAYS. Well here is a little history on myself. I am 37, a daddy of 2, and was once as worldly as could be till I had my GOD experience. Never wanted to know GOD or deal with him in any way. Thank GOD he knows better than I do. I am not from a religious family my only knowledge was what I was taught in school, t.v., the world, and man’s own illusions. I am a big fan of the rangers and braves. Ryan and Glavine are the all time best pitcher’s ever. ( my opinion of course ) I have a question for you? Why is it instead of relying on GOD; we as humans rely on what man says and believes he knows and discovered. We can quote many individual’s throughout history who claim to have an insight or understanding instead of HEEDING WHAT GOD SAYS AND SHOWS US. We rely so much more on man’s opinions of GOD. No matter how smart or educated one may be his knowledge came from another man’s opinion or theory. For as far as i know theories and opinions have the same meanings. If the bible says that man’s thoughts are not of GOD’S and that GOD’S thoughts are not of us and we can never understand someone who can see from beginning to end; why then do we rely on ourselves and on our own works if all we ever do is come up with opinions like every other man. We need to STOP TRYING TO DISPROVE THE BIBLE AND LET GOD REVEAL IT TO US. For we will always wander around in our own mess we create and wander astray from GOD. Sorry this is off the subject but this lays on my heart and it hurts me so. I see so many brothers and sisters in JESUS CHRIST fall to the wayside with so many questions of disbelief because they never really ever became anchored in GOD’S HOLY LIVING WORD. Or they never truly had a GOD EXPERIENCE. Or they saw a show, read a book, went to a seminar, or even heard from someone in their own church that triggered their own questionings. You said JESUS was never in old testament then please fully explain these scriptures because as you can see word for word from new testament back into old testament. Once again confirming Isaiah 28:10. SORRY SO LONG. GOD BLESS YOU TODAY CHARLES.

Acts 3:18-24
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Now as for Luke 4:17-21 is found in Isaiah 61:1-2

Luke 4:17-21
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Isaiah 61
1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Now for Acts 13:27-29 is found Psalm 22

Acts 13:27-28
27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.

Psalm 22
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
2 O my God, I cry in the day time, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother’s breasts.
10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother’s belly.
11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
21 Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
28 For the kingdom is the LORD’s: and he is the governor among the nations.
29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Now for Hebrews 10:7 is found in Psalm 40:6-8

Hebrews 10:7
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

Psalm 40:6-8
6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

By angel fraijo (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/21/2011 19:08 pm

Hey Angel, I am glad you did not take offense and thanks for organizing you thoughts in paragraphs. I can follow you much better now.

Okay, we are of course miles apart in what we believe and why, but I can understand you perfectly because I was once in your shoes. I had a religious upbringing and the Bible was my life. I was even on my way to becoming a Catholic priest. When I first started noticing some obvious inconsistencies in the Bible I was only too eager to dismiss them in the same way you are doing. But the more I studied the Bible the more I realized how imperfect it is and I couldn’t keep defending it with a clear conscience. At that point the phrase “The truth shall set you free” took on a whole new meaning for me.

This is not about changing anybody’s opinions but only about expressing them. The only thing I can hope for is that we can at least agree on SOME of the facts.

Fact: Jesus did not write one single word of the Bible. When you quote Luke 4:21 you are quoting Luke, not Jesus. Now, you might ask, why would Luke put words in Jesus’ mouth? He had a very strong reason to do that. The main purpose for most of the NT was to convince Jews and Gentiles that Jesus was the messiah of the OT. The people were not ready for a new religion. They would only accept Jesus if he was a continuation of their traditions. So that’s what Paul, Luke and others tried to do.

Now when you try to prove something that isn’t true, you know that your testimony is not likely to stand up to cross-examination. That’s what happened to Luke and others. I can give you at least two instances where Luke’s testimony is contradicted by fellow evangelist Matthew:
1. The genealogy of Jesus that Luke gives in chapter three is vastly different from the one that Matthew starts his gospel with.
2. Luke 2:2 places the birth of Jesus in the year 6 C.E. (during the time of the census of Cyrenius) while Matthew tells us the more likely story that Jesus was born during the reign of Herod, who died ten years before the census.
(You said it’s impossible for the Bible to contradict itself, but I just gave you two examples).

You mentioned several other passages in the NT, and my response would be similar. But, rather than jumping all over the Bible in super-long comments, take me to each of them in their appropriate verses and I will be glad to discuss them there.

By the way, which OT prophecies do these quotations you made refer to:
-Luke 4:21?
-Acts 13:29?
-Hebrews 10:7?

With regard to my term “progressive revelation concept” I was just referring to where you said in post 30 “where one verse leads u to another for a further understanding and revelation” of God’s word. In post 31 I believe I explained why a verse by Moses couldn’t possibly lead to a verse written 1,600 years later by John. This is just another example of an attempt to link Jesus to the OT when in fact the OT doesn’t give Jesus one single mention!

You also mentioned Noah and, again, I invite you to discuss this in its proper place in the Bible. There are already several comments starting with Gen. 6:13.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/20/2011 13:42 pm

hey charles… sorry about the way I write for I am not an educated man. I usually type in capital letters all the time, write in capital letters, and yes i know friends always tell me I am shouting but I just like the way it looks. So this is something I am trying to learn not to do and also I am a long wind talker as you have noticed and I do shorten words I say so I can save space and so I don’t lose my train of thought. For I am a one finger typer. Slow and Steady.

Now you say JESUS is not found in the Old Testament. Then please explain what JESUS himself said in Luke 4:17-21 ( verse 21: And he(JESUS) began to say unto them,This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. ) Just like I said about Isaiah 28:10 says about the bible ( For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little. ) Also what does Acts 13:29 mean,
( And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. ) So what was written of him? Also, most importantly Hebrew 10:7 which states ( Then said I, Lo, I come ( in the volume of the book it is written of me, ) to do thy will, O GOD. ) Now this is JESUS speaking is it not? Once again what was written of him that was fulfilled? Also was it not JESUS who said in Matthew 8:58 ( Verily, Verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am. ) Also what does JESUS mean in John 17:5 which says ( And now O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. ) Now this was JESUS speaking was it not? Saying before creation I was? Also what about Romans 15:4 which says ( For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. ) There are so many scriptures in new and old testament showing and speaking of JESUS CHRIST. Is JESUS not the alpha and the omega. The beginning and the ending. Which is, which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. A direct scripture from JESUS himself in Revelation 1:8. Also explain Hebrew 13:8 which says and goes with Revelations 1:8 ( Hebrew 13:8: JESUS CHRIST the same yesterday, and today, and forever. )

Now You said the bible contradicts itself which is entirely impossible because GOD wrote the bible and not man at all. Look at these 3 scriptures and explain them for these are GOD’S HOLY LIVING WORD and not mine or any man. Lets look at 2 Timothy 3:16 which says ( All scripture is given by inspiration of GOD, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof( means to examine and study for yourself), for correction(means to check and correct oneself daily to live by GOD’S WORD), for instruction in righteousness:( means to hear and obey GOD’S WILL. ) Please, also explain 2 Peter 1:20-21 which says (Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man; but holy men of GOD spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. ) Now the most important scripture is Revelation 22:18-19 which says ( For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, GOD shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, GOD shall take away his part out of the book of life, and from the things which are written in this book. ) Sounds pretty much that this bible is GOD’S HOLY LIVING WORD. Perfect from beginning to ending. If these scriptures aren’t enough I will send you more if need be.

Also I have no clue what progressive revelation concept is or means. All i know is GOD’S WORD and I let him reveal it unto me according to GOD’S WORD. Also I had no clue what prejudicial meant. Had to look it up. HaHaHa I crack myself up a lot and no I am not prejudicial in anyway shape or form. That goes against GOD’S WORD. Also the world has no excuse of the TRUTH OF GOD and all has been provided so there is no excuse and we will all answer for it. So to say we are all believers and non-believers is a self justification just because there are so many different beliefs. But there is only one true GOD along with all his teachings. Look at JESUS. He was among the Pharisee’s, Scribes, Sadducees, Theologians,etc,etc. and not one would try to understand or study his teachings and they couldn’t even agree among themselves. An as for Noah, search the history of Noah’s 3 sons and were they went and what nations came forth from them. You will see Gentiles, Jews, Samaritans. Where all the races of this day and time stem from. Remember after the flood only Noah and his sons and their wives were the only people in the world. An as for Moses time well if you remember none of them made it to the Promise Land. Only Joshua and Caleb. Boy I guess all those others really understood GOD’S WORD because if they did they wouldn’t of needed Moses. Once again I’m sorry for this long comment but GOD’S WORD is forever and ever for all eternity. We will never know it all or understand all of it. For it has no beginning and no ending in wisdom, knowledge, or understanding of GOD’S WORD. LIMITLESS just like GOD.

By angel fraijo (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/20/2011 08:15 am

Angel, thanks for post 30 but, as much as I hate critisizing anybody’s writing style, I have to confess I had an extremely hard time reading it. First, it was way too long. Secondly, it was full of SHOUTING words; you alternated between regular and block lettering so frequently that you made my eyes dizzy. Thirdly, please try to use regular words instead of all that shorthand; this isn’t texting. And, finally, please observe paragraphing and punctuation rules. You ran your entire blockbuster as one sentence!

Having said that, let me try to address some of the things you said. You said I can’t argue with the three classes of people you came up. 1. Yes I sure can argue, and 2. I don’t understand how you got that from the Bible. Anybody can classify anything, and yours seem to be especially prejudicial. I am not going to spend much time on this, but let me just make one point: we are ALL believers and we are ALL non-believers. One who doesn’t believe in the Bible is as much a nonbeliever as one who doesn’t believe in the Vedas or the Quran or the Atheistic way of thinking (or as one who doesn’t believe that the Rangers are going to win the World Series!) Using the term in only one sense is discriminatory.

Next, I absolutely can’t accept the progressive revelation concept. 1 John does not explain Genesis. The first people to read Genesis 3,500 years ago did not have to wait 1,600 years for 1 John to understand what Moses had told them! What holy sense does that make? The Bible is definitely not woven like a blanket but rather a hodgepodge of topics, languages, styles and purposes. So much so that many books contradict each other.

In general, I can tell you that none of the NT attempts to link Jesus to the OT don’t have any legs to stand on. We can discuss each of them separately, under their appropriate verses, if you want.

I’ll stop here because this is getting too long. Please keep your comments brief and to the point. I hope you take my criticism the right way.

By Charles (wrote 1421 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 10/20/2011 01:12 am