Isaiah 53: 5 Commentary

Angel: Hope you can see well. My name is Tiuche and not “tuiche”! See the difference?

In case you may not know it. of the persons that you said attacked you: Charles and Robert Louis were not bible believers-they were believers of their own self righteousness and wisdom!

While Scott Dale and me…well believe it or not…we have the same Father and the same Book that we treasure and keep in our heart. Presuming we are older than you spiritually you ought to listen to us about your ramble or babble/ your blanket or sweeping statements…which we saw as some kind of showing off of your prowess in the Word or the attitude of not listening to any other else but yourself… and as a spirit filled son of God in the making we know you will listen to reasonable words; that is why we are teaching you to be humble, teachable..easy to be entreated with…like a sheep and not as pigs or wolves which you have seen some commentators had acted out…and they were driven off from the site or perhaps they are still just watching us through the fence…

Now you say you are a spirit filled believer- we don’t argue with that- we believe that indeed in you are the spirit of God-in you are the Words of God which you have eaten vigorously! However don’t be PROUD neither be COMPLACENT that just because you have been begotten again…that the devil could not sidetrack you from the WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE!

Comment on-use the Sword that God gave you…practiced with us in the use of it…and as I heard it here “IRON SHARPENS IRON!” dON’T BE AFRAIDnor be ashamed TO COMMIT MISTAKE BUT…be ready to listen….!

By TIUCHE (wrote 2755 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 16:52 pm

tuiche:

i am humble and i do listen to everyone here and i do research what everyone is saying.

as for my age i am almost 40 years old.

and lets just say i am past milk, honey, and meats.

By angel (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 06:41 am

Angel: if you are indeed not a babe nor a NOVICE in the faith, how long have you been a believer? How old are you now?

I think you are not even 27 years old! I am not judging you that you are not a Christian…I said you are a NOVICE! A BABE IN CHRIST! And if you insist you are spiritually mature…well just take care you won’t fall on a pit!

You see i have been through many churches…and i have seen your attitudes in many of those who were puff up. These puff up believers did not know that they were babes and tried to usurp the authorities in the church…well some of them did grew spiritually mature; some are managing to hold on while at the same time bewildered of the left and right missiles of the devil becoz despites the fact that their physical bodies are old now, yet they failed to grow spiritually; some of the babes were aborted and they are now -ATHIEST!

I am just giving you my insight and if you think these are nonsense that is for you to decide….I say again : You are a babe in Christ! don’t get hurt…be humble…coz if i am wrong-God still will consider you as spiritually mature ready to be harvested!

By TIUCHE (wrote 2755 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 06:25 am

for your information tuiche; i am not puffed up nor do i view myself as a prophet or anything greater than what i truly am; which is a true son of GOD.

aren’t the true sons and daughters of GOD the very same vessels in which will be used when it is needed for GOD’S glory day by day for those in need.

for instance, see for yourself all the comments that i have received here on vbvbc.com

you told me i am puffed up, young in faith, player of words, lack experience of GOD’S truth, quick in anger, need to listen, and a few other things. i am sorry that i don’t share your view that polygamy is not a sin and that it is ok by GOD.

scott dale says i am deaf to GOD’S truth and unteachable. also i post to long of comments that no one wants to read. and i am sorry they are long but i want it to be clear as possible as to what i believe and see.

charles said i was just like you tuiche; crazy, a nut job, player of words, twisting the words in the bible, a manipulator, a false teacher, living in a make believe world, and so much more.

robert louis said the same things as charles. he even cursed at me.

not once have i been angry at any of you. i am honest and straight forward.

maybe a little to honest and straight forward.

i am not prideful, arrogant, boastful, or self indulged or self diluted in anyway.

i don’t know everything nor do i claim to.

but i am a holy spirit filled believer who has taken on the yoke of our LORD JESUS CHRIST just as all other true reborn again believers. and we become and live just as our LORD JESUS CHRIST did during his lifetime. with knowledge, wisdom, and understanding of GOD’S holy living word. then there are the supernatural signs that occur in every true believers life; such as the 9 gifts that operate in our lives.

you know what is hilarious tuiche; is that the more we surrender ourselves to our LORD JESUS CHRIST; we become just like him in every way; spiritually, mentally, emotionally, and physically; and the world begins to judge and condemn you for that. it begins by calling you names, belittling you, and drawing assumptions of what they believe and perceive of you.

what is even more hilarious is that the ones who judge and condemn you; are christians.

By angel (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 06:07 am

Angel: Frankly speaking you are a child in the faith-thinking that those here in vbvbc are your opponents. You are a spiritual child in danger of becoming PUFF UP! You like to believe that amongst us here you are some kind of a prophet…you want to show off with your learning of the Word. Be careful God might spank you if you insist on that kind of bad attitude!

The Scriptures warns: “Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.”

By TIUCHE (wrote 2755 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 04:52 am

CANDACE:

THE BATTLE WAGES ON AND I WILL NOT BE SHAKEN; FOR VICTORY HAS ALREADY BEEN DECLARED AND GLORIFIED IN THE HEAVENS, ON EARTH, AND IN HELL.

for if you look my precious sister candace; i struggle with the same things you struggle especially with those here on vbvbc.com.

for i to get belittled, name called, or even false assumptions of me and my comments. first there to long or i am playing with words.

they say many things and assume; but there shall come a day when i shall and will stand with my bridegroom and judge those whom i have sent his word out to and then they shall have no excuses for the truth was told to them. whether if its some here on vbvbc.com or in the world. we are held for all we say and do.

bible says the recording angels are recording everything day by day, hour by hour, minute by minute, and second by second. whether we are awake or asleep.

for you see candace; i am not taken seriously here; just as you; but yet i don’t know why i stay.

i helped eduard out with his faith last year and now i have seem to touch you when you were just looking for GOD’S TRUTH. and i must say it’s not me at all but he in me calling and answer; deep crying out to the deep.

the truth is i let GOD lead me and it seems when someone needs something here i come back to vbvbc.com. for you see i was going back to school and had decided not to comment until i got out which was in may of 2012. but here i am. something pulled me back when i had felt that all i could do was done.

if you were to go through and read my posts you would see how i am always skipped over and no one really wants to read my posts for i am long winded; but once again its not me but he in me that’s greater reaching out and calling to the deep in others.

this is gonna sound crazy candace but i have actually gone through every verse here on vbvbc.com just to read what EVERYONE was posting and believed. and not only that i researched what everyone was saying to be true to GOD’S word.

By angel (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 23:37 pm

Angel, I JUST MUST SAY………………”THE SAME SPIRIT THAT RAISED Y’SHUA FROM THE GRAVE IS IN us”! IN LIGHT OF THAT LET US BE VIOLENT FOR HIS GLORY & “LET THE VIOLENT TAKE “IT” BY fORCE” FOR our BRIDEGROOM!

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 07:30 am

Oh! AMEN! I’ve not heard words of this anointing for a long time unless out of our own mouths! My husband & I lead & small flock who are longing for more too. These ones have the heart of their Father & want desperately to become that spotless Bride. They are few but they are serious & as the shaking comes & we are bowed over we knnow we are “receiving a Kingdom that can not b shaken”!!! We’ve encouraged them as we must encourage ourselves as it gets darker & more lawless. There will come a day soon when we wil hear ..”unbow yourselves & LOOK UP your redemption draweth nigh!
You are a jewel in the crown of your Beloved, a Bride in the making a Warrior for His Kingdom. I am honored & delighted to have met you & to touch your spirit as you have touched mine.
Thank you, Sweet One…..:)

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 00:27 am

CANDACE:

do not fear my precious sister; for our LORD JESUS CHRIST; shall shine in those he has revealed himself to and then as you say… WWWWWWOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW… look out; for his glory shall shine in us brighter than the sun and the world shall know our LORD JESUS CHRIST was still here and is now fulfilling his works of glory for our father in heaven through his ALREADY GLORIFIED BODY here on earth through us; the true sons and daughters of GOD.

hold on my precious sister for the time is nigh; hold fast and strong; for i am here for you and all those waiting for that glorious day. for we are the voice of he who comes to take us home. PRAISE YOU OH LORD FOR REDEEMING US BACK UNTO YOU.

the bible said there would be few to receive and know our LORD JESUS CHRIST on such an intimate level beyond human words and understandings. for it is not in words we are saved but in the power of our LORD JESUS CHRIST.

that is the same power that is indwelled in us; the same yesterday, the same today, the same forever.

for we are a supernatural church and not an earthly church.

the truth is candace; this world is our calvary; just as our LORD JESUS CHRIST went through; so shall we.

By angel (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/21/2012 19:43 pm

Angel….I can’t thank you enough for sharing this truth w/ me. It’s a very lonely & hostile church world out there when you understand the truth about the Son of God & are hated by the church because of it.
You have blessed me more than you know & have caused my spirit to leap for joy!
I too am anticipating the moving of God’s Spirit in a mighty way as this earth has not seen. I wait impatiently for the former & latter rain to be poured out as promised in Amos. If the miracles, signs & wonders where awesome when Y’shua walked the earth, just think what it will be like when his corporate Body is walking in sync w/ himself & our Father! I know it’s waiting & I know it’s for those that believe. I want that & I ache for the knowlege of the Son of God to be manifested in His Bride.

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/21/2012 06:43 am

CANDACE:

for the record i am not a trinitarian believer, nor a binitarian believer, nor a unitarian believer.

i believe GOD is a spirit and is in heaven.

i believe our LORD JESUS CHRIST is the only SON OF GOD. for our LORD JESUS CHRIST cannot be his own father if he is the son of the most high. yet indwelled in that 100% body of a man; in our LORD JESUS CHRIST; is also GOD in all his fullness, 100%.

also i believe that our LORD JESUS CHRIST is the kinsman redeemer. and i also believe that our LORD JESUS CHRIST is the promise of GOD coming down to earth in a pure spotless man; who could only be GOD’S son.

i also believe that the holy spirit is the light/ logos/ spirit of GOD.

basically it’s ONE GOD in three different offices; and not people.

this is had for many to grasp and people classify me as a trinitarian, binitarian, and a unitarian. but this is farthest from the truth.

GOD IN HEAVEN/ FATHERSHIP
GOD ON EARTH/ SONSHIP ( IN A 100% MAN YET 100% GOD INDWELLED IN THIS MAN )
GOD IN US/ HOLY SPIRIT

i also would love to share the many deep revelations with you that GOD has shown me. and vice versa as well. don’t get me wrong i love to talk about GOD’S holy living word but i PREFER the power of the spirit and it’s DIVINE revelations of himself to us. i love those precious intimate moments.

By angel (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/21/2012 02:54 am

Angel….I must thank you for your tender & compassioante heart. I see a true Saint & Warrior Bride in you. I find that so rare & it should not be. You bring much truth from God’s Own Word & these are powerful Words indeed!
I am comforted by your words as well as Tractorman & w/ God’s Grace, I’ll continue to take that next step.
You see, my spirit longs aches even to be about my Father’s business & finish Yahshua’s work as part of his body. I long to see the sick healed, the lame walk, the blind see, the leper cleansed & those in bondage set free!!! Oh, to be His servant & be His hands extended….but in this wretched condition I find myself in….I am helpless to do any of it. I am in as desperate need as any of those around me.
I receive & embrace your kind words & rejoice in the brilliant spirit I see emanating right off these pages.
Thank you, Angel….you’ve brought a smile to my face.

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/20/2012 07:41 am

CANDACE:

oh candace that was beautiful and so true. GOD is the same yesterday, today, and forever. so many believe that the days of miracles, signs , and wonders are done… this is farthest from the truth. and yes, faith is the key to do all things. if we don’t have faith in the little things how can we have faith for the big things.

for the truth is we are little gods; through that redeeming blood; made sons and daughters unto our father in heaven.

here are some scriptures supporting this:

psalm 82:6
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

john 10:34-38
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

ephisians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2 peter 1:2-12
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

1 john 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

2 corinthians 3:15-18
But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

oh candace how i dream of that beautiful heavenly kingdom and the day i can see my LORD JESUS CHRIST.

and as for your pain; you are not alone in this struggle. for if we look throughout GOD’S holy living word you shall see that every true believer goes through their very own struggles of affliction. in my opinion i believe GOD may use this as a means to keep us humble and in humility.

for it is hard for true believers who genuinely have that GODLY AGAPE LOVE not to struggle with all things around us and with ourselves. for we are torn to see others struggle and suffer. wishing to be used to help everyone in every way even asking our father to give us the affliction as a means to sacrifice oneself for another to be free.

i don’t know what is wrong with you candace but i will pray as a son of GOD to touch and heal you… for I HAVE FAITH AND I BELIEVE IN DIVINE HEALING… i have even seen and experienced it myself.

if it’s in GOD’S holy living word then it is still with us and can still make us whole just as it states in the holy bible.

for the days of old are not gone they are still here. it’s sad when we make the power of GOD limited; and then we cry out asking why when we ourselves don’t believe. how can GOD honor his word if we can’t believe or have faith.

and by his stripes we are healed… literally… that means physically, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

did you know in the new testament stripes is really “stripe” because our LORD JESUS CHRIST back was raw and bare. you could see his insides exposed. no one has ever suffered like our LORD JESUS CHRIST and never will. all i know is if you ask for healing in his most holy name; LORD JESUS CHRIST; and truly believe… GOD has to honor his holy spoken and written living word. we just need to stand and believe it is done; because it is already done; we just need to receive it.

just as abraham’s promise of children; took 25 years. we are on GOD’S time; and his time is more important because it will impact us greater and all those around you.

for we are sons and daughters of GOD… and we will always shine for the world to see; even in our darkest hours.

By angel (wrote 240 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/19/2012 21:16 pm

#2 re-reading what you have just written……I must let you know, I see no clumsiness, only powerful Truth. Oh how I do love truth.
Be Blessed:)

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/19/2012 07:12 am

Tractorman………..no, your words bring much comfort. But I can’t accept that healing is not part of our redemption. As I read the gospels, I see Y’shua went about healing them “all”. He said; “only believe” “Doubt not in your heart”. “Ask the Fathr anything in my name & He will do it.” Have Faith.” “go, your faith has healed you.”
Our Savior’s last instruction was …….
“go, heal the sick, raise the dead & cast out demons.” It would seem to me it’s the natural atmosphere for the Believer. “These signs shall follow those that believe…………….” It seems our Lord expected us to release the Kingdom of God that is w/in us & do even greater works then he because he goes to his Father.”
I am stumped & at times just weep because this battle gets to be more than I can bear. I’ve done all I know to do, been prayed for, laid hands on, anointed w/oil (pray for the sick, anoint them w/ oil & they WILL recover) but alas….I do not.
I must admit it takes a huge toll on one’s faith & I can testfy…”hope deferred does make the heart sick.”
As you have said, hearing well meaning christians tell me …”you just don’t have enough faith” screams w/in my heart….you are an orphan & have no Father. The enemy is at work & yes, I must be more like Job….though You slay me yet will I trust you. And as Paul, know …”My Grace is suffient…”
But the bottom line for me “is” Is 53:5 & I believe w/ all my heart, Y’shua’s sacrifice redeemed back everything that was lost including physical healing.
When will that come for me……………maybe never??? But I’ve seen other’s miraculously healed for His glory! I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t long for that too.
In His Grip

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/19/2012 07:03 am

@ Candace - I know the ‘Christian world’ is somewhat split on the extent of what it means ‘by His stripes we are healed’… I refuse to allow the ‘Health and wealth’ preachers to tell me the reason why I am NOT healed is because I do not have ‘enough faith’ - that is totally bogus and puts such a guilt-trip upon those not healed… maybe even feeling that God is somehow still ‘angry’ at them… hmmm, Rom 8:1 seems to speak otherwise…

My only conclusion is to believe Isa 53:5 is referring much more to our ’spiritually healing’ in the sense that we are healed from sin’s power and penalty…

Is healing GUARANTEED in the atonement? Well, in a sense, YES - for one day we also will delivered from sin’s PRESENCE…

But we still live in a sin-cursed world, and how God chooses that we will glorify Him differs from believer to believer.

Even Paul prayed the Lord would take his affliction from him (2 Cor 12:7-10), but God had a purpose to which Paul submitted.

But ONE DAY this WILL all be over - it’s the HOPE (confident expectation) all believers have - that it WILL be worth it all (even our horrible suffering)…

I do not claim to know WHY God allows us to suffer… I can only say that as a loving Father, I must simply trust Him, though He slay me…

I know I’m probably a ‘miserable comforter’, so please forgive my clumsiness!!

By Tractorman (wrote 2613 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/18/2012 20:39 pm

Emphasize the word OUR, HIS, and WE each time you read it in this verse and the previous verse.

By Graham (wrote 14 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 8/13/2010 22:20 pm