John 1: 1 Commentary

Post #163, Candace: Looking once again at Col.2:9, w/in the context of these words, what the apostle is telling his readers is, “If anyone is teaching Jesus Christ IS NOT God in bodily form, don’t listen to them - don’t be led astray by that teaching.”
And why does Jesus have a God? God came here to show us we are
dependent on God.
You are being lifted to the throne of grace by many.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/5/2012 21:51 pm

T Snow (#176)

Thanks for the affirmating words.

It is very curious how we can all discuss the deepest things of God with such conviction and then something as trite as a particular word not appearing in the Bible becomes a source of contention. Undoubtedly, the whole notion of the Creator God becoming a man is a difficult one for the creature to deal with. Who can fully grasp it? How shall the finite comprehend the infinite? But if the All Powerful Creator wanted to become a man, who can deny Him? And if He DID become a man, what would that man be like?? A mighty King constantly displaying His miraculous powers to heal and to judge?? Is this how we shall be able to comprehend Him?

Yes, that is EXACTLY what He would be like.., Jesus is the healer AND the judge. Woe to us if we forget that. Surely we’ve come to know Him as the compassionate Healer of brokeness and infirmity; but soon we shall also know Him as the terrifying Judge of all the earth!

Jesus is no mere man who has a sinless life of which to boast before God. I declare that I will have NO mere man to be my savior and I also declare that I will stand before NO exalted mortal for the judgment of my soul! If I cannot stand before my Creator and Sustainer in That Day; then let me be as if I had NEVER been born!

By Scott Dale (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/3/2012 14:46 pm

Candace…Sweet one…we pray for you…and I wish every modern woman was just like you…like the Holy women of old-a woman who loves her husband and the Lord loyally and faithfully….no, i am not saying you are perfect in doctrine or in your deeds or in your words, what I am saying is I see a woman whose heart is in LOVE with Christ & Hus Word-and that is encouraging.

May the Lord our God smile down on all of us here and grant our wishes and prayers!

By TIUCHE (wrote 2749 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/3/2012 12:31 pm

Post #172, Scott Dale: Thank You for these words. I think ‘Trinity’ is a word we use to describe the ‘triune’ God - that He exists in three Persons. The word ‘Rapture’ isn’t in Scripture either. But we use this word referring to being “caught up” to meet Jesus “in the air” [1Thess.4:16-18].
Thanks, again.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/3/2012 06:36 am

I’m so sorry, anothr post that left my hands before I could correct it……….just too much fatigue

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 18:46 pm

#170 My dearest & most precious Friend,
thishas beenan amazing hourney w/ you. Definetely some iron sharpening iron, freedom for the release of passion & an extraordinary opportunity for unpretencious vulnerablility.
You have challenged like few ever have. You have comforted in th most diffcult times. I have felt the heart of Gather through your word so beautifully articulated & I have been motivated to excavate the depths of God’s incredible & unfailing Word.
I been chastized to the point of tears but it has caused me to go to my Father to learn more of His unfathonable Agape & “really” walk in it.
I have developed a deep & abiding love for you that will endure into eternity. A respect for a man of God that walks in the truth he knows w/ a strenght of character that is indeed “a living epsitle easily read of all men.” I am honored. I have cherished the incredible words of comfort that flow from a pure heart…one that has travailed as well & has seen God in the midst.
A am not doing well. The flare I enteered into about 6 months ago is not abating. I may not be able t correspond w/ any of you for how long, I so not know. That saddens me for I have had an opportunity to open the floodgates of my heart & it’s been exhilirating! I have also had the extreme [leaseure of getting to “know” you by the Spirit & that has been most satisfying.
I covet you prayers as this is a burden at times, I just can’t carry. I detest it & ache w/ every fiber of my being to be released. But……………if not, I need to come to terms w/ a most dilbiltating infimity w/out cursing God only t lay down & die.
Much Agape “………….Behold, how good & pleasant it is for brethren to dwell in unity.”

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 18:44 pm

post 171 Tiuche, I want to than kou for your tender heart before the LORD & how blessed I have beem to read your exhortations & input. Your words bring truth & comfort to me & to that I must put an Amen.

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 18:24 pm

Tiuche (post 171)

I think we all appreciate the sentiment that you are appealing to with your reminder, but the Word of God is NOT simple. What seems to add un-needed confusion is the apparent disdain by some for the mere word “trinity”. What does it matter that the word does not appear in the Bible? The real question is; can the DOCTRINE of the Trinity be substantiated in the Bible?

However, neither Tractorman nor I are pushing the fullness of this doctrine (I don’t think we’ve even mentioned the word unless somebody else brings it up first). The core issue that centers on our theme verse above is whether or not Jesus is God (in fullness). I hope you would agree that this is neither a simple issue nor one of little consequence. To be wrong on this point has critical ramifications. In some cases, it can be the difference of being eternally saved or lost.

Certainly, there is disagreement on these things but the spirit of our banter has been right and light IS being released.

By Scott Dale (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 16:30 pm

Candace, Tractorman & Scott: Let me remind & repeat to, you again…if all of us just stick with God’s Word on who or what is God-then all of us would be one in His word:

1 Corinthians 8:6 ” to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.”

I think this Word of our brother Paul is plain and clear…but if we still insist on teaching EXTRA BIBLICAL DOCTRINE-such as the TRINITY-then argument and disunity is the result! Do we pray “O Trinity, God of all flesh? Or the rather do we not pray “Our Father which art in heaven…then later close it with “these things we asked in Jesus our Savior name?”

If we stick with the Bible rather than the teaching or Word of Men it would be well with us all and much simpler!

By TIUCHE (wrote 2749 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 15:07 pm

Dear Candace,

I too appreciate the cordial exchanges. Although these matters have been debated for centuries, it is not to us to try and win these arguments at the cost of bruising one another. All truth belongs to God and we are just blind men trying to help one another along the way.

As to your comment regarding Isaiah 11:1 I would like to counter by saying you have mis-quoted the verse. The Hebrew “choter” is never interpreted as “root” nor does any translation that I know of do so. The Isaiah reference is creating the picture of a new tree springing forth from a dead stump bringing hope to Israel that God will not forget his promise to David.

By contrast, the Rev. 22 verse is NOT just about these things. It is about the eternal authority of Jesus Christ. He is not only the offspring of David, but the very root of David as well. Jesus not only came after David, but He pre-dated David. Jesus not only carries the reign of David, He also commissioned David. Root=God; Offspring=Man.

The plain meaning of Rev 22:16 is Jesus Himself declaring His pre-existance to the churches. If you don’t want to accept it, I leave it there.

Regarding my definiton/doctrine of the Trinity, I will have to leave that for a later time.

By Scott Dale (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 14:13 pm

Scott Dale & Tractorman….I really do want to thank you both for being such gentlemen & men of God. Excellemt engaging.

I do have one more question if I may. I’d like to know your definition/doctrine of The Trinity.

As to your comment on Rev 22:16, Scott Dale, I would like to counter with
Isaiah 11:1; “a root shall come up from the stump of Jesse; from his roots a Branch will bare fruit.” NIV & Matt 1:1 a record of the geneology of Jesus Christ, the son of David & the son of Abraham.

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/2/2012 07:14 am

Candace,

Your post #166: “How can Almighty God be the son of man?”

It looks like you are still refusing to acknowledge the omnipotence of God. Have you forgotten Rev. 22:16?

“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David..”

By Scott Dale (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/1/2012 23:49 pm

@ Candace - oh my! I don’t even know where to start, so actually I won’t. You and I (along with others) have made our views known.

… and no, I do not rely on the KJV - I don’t think many do, unless they are Ruckmanites, who I believe have stated that the 1611 KJV actually corrects the Greek when applicable!

And although I vehemently disagree with your biblical hermeneutic, I thank you for sharing your thoughts.

By Tractorman (wrote 2592 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/1/2012 22:25 pm

Tractorman….masterful twisting of the word, I must say. With much respect for your knowledge of God’s Word & your ability of expression, I must put up a bit of a fight if I may?
I have several avenues I would like to take but which one 1st when there are many concepts brought in your analogy that have huge holes in them?
I guess I’ll start w/ LOGOS since we are discussing Jn 1:1.
Logos: (word, thought, principle or speech) logos as “word” means conveying orally one’s thoughts, ideas or plan.

by your logic the thoughts, plan & mind of God = another god-being or
Jesus.

I see the Logos as YHWH’s mind, plan & purposes being intimately Himself just as our own thoughts are uniquely us. His word is w/ Himself, is Himself & “in the fullness of time…God’s word was “made” flesh.” (Gal 4:4)
Yahweh “spoke” by His Logos & everything that was created came into being.

How can we say “God was “made” a little lower than the angels”? Heb 2:9 but we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death, crowned w/ glory & honor, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”

You have also quoted Jn 10:32,33 proving Jesus thinks he’s God. When taken alone, yes, I too would have to concede & say….”you’re right Tractorman. It’s in blk & wht, Jesus is calling himself God.
BUT, coupled w/ other scriptures on this very subject it becomes plain, the Jews wanted to stone him for claiming to be “the Son of God.” Jn 19:7 which in ancient times a son has the same authortiy as his father when he comes in his father’s name, making that son “equal” to his father.
The N.T. is full of Jesus being called the Son of God. Jesus most often referred to himself as “the son of man.” How can Almighty God be the son of man?

You have offered another scripture proving Jesus is God & pre-existing using Jn 17:5. Here again, if we can understand “logos” then it becomes easy to understand God’s Word is full of His Glory! Every word spoken by God is full w/ Power & Glory! The Glory Jesus had before the foundation of the world was & is in God’s Word before that word was made flesh. I know it’s difficult to receive this truth when according to how long you’ve been saved, you’ve been brainwashed to believe in a pagan trinity. Please research it’s history.

You say you’re not influenced by or quoted any church fathers, but indeed you have. If your standard bible is the KJV then you’ve been subjected to the perverted Latin Vulgate time & time again. We’re hard pressed to find a translation that does not have a trinity bias. The CJB comes the closest.

Phil 2:6….you’re not gonna like this but there’s no way I can leave it out, it’s just too important. Jesus being the only begotten Son of God Almighty had every right to lay claim over all creation & the throne of David just by the mere fact it was all his as an HEIR. But there’s something more to this……………As the LAST Adam, Jesus was fully aware of the grave error Adam & Eve made when satan tempted them to eat of the forbidden fruit….”if you eat you will be as God…..” Gen 3:5
Jesus was not about to elevate himself to that degree of pride & compete w/ His Father as the 1st Adam had tried to do & Satan before him. Isaiah 14:14
Instead, he/Y’shua humbled himself to become a servant, not his rightful place as a King, to accomplish the hard task the Father had sent him to do……be totally sumitted to his Father, die on a cross as the Lamb of God & purchase back what the 1st Adam had forfieted by his pride to become as God. By Y’shua’s obedience to be a willing servant, “GOD” has now elevated him to King of over all kings & Lord over every lord! Yahweh has not made him/Y’shua GOD but “a god” having all authority because he comes in the Name of Yahweh!

About Isaiah 44:6…a matter of translation: “This says Yahweh, Israel’s King, & Israel’s Redeemer is Yahweh of hosts, the first & the last” or the alpha & omega being the Greek equivalent.
And here too, I’m going to ruffle a lot of feathers I’m sure. That’s not my heart but I must put it out here.
Rev 1:8; I Am the Alpha & Omega(Greek) First & Last (Hebrew)……” referring to Yahweh/God alone.
Verses 17 & 18 we see Y’shua/Jesus and he says I was dead, now alive for ever more, “I am the first & the last”: meaning Y’shua is the firstborn of many brethren & the last Adam who has conquored death & been raised again to life eternal by Yahweh Himself. Yahweh was not dead & then raised. Yahshua died for us as the Lamb of God & he’s now in heaven a glorified man made immortal by God.(JOHN 12:23) We too are promised a glorified body & immortality “for we shall be like him/Jesus.” I Jn 3:2

About Rev 22:12,13…it appears you’ve lifted that out of context. Go back & start with vs 1. Who’s talking? Who’s coming back w/ rewards? Who’s the Alpha & Omega & and who’s the 1st & the last??? Let’s be honest here, God is Spirit. He is manifested in the Son. From verse 1 & following we see the Father AND the Lamb coming back. The Alpha & Omega/God & the 1st & last/the Son, together. That’s how we get in trouble to begin with…taking scripture out of context & omitting key vs that go together. i.e half a picture or worst a distorted picture. And how many times in the gospels did Jesus speak prophetically as his Father spoke through him???? If God can & does speak through men, how more would He & did He speak through His Son?

I know you’ve said you’ve read all the rebuttals & have found flaws w/ all of them but I’m going to give you a challenge. This is only for those w/ the guts to delve deep & honest enough to admit error. The proud will never be able to read this book. If you are humble & have a teachable spirit, than perhaps you will. That book is…”The Doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity’s Self-Inflicted Wound”. It’s not an easy book to read & it’s certainly not for the novice. But it does present the Word of God in a more honest light. Again, I’m not a Unitarian as a denomination.

God Bless you, Tractorman & I’m more than grateful you are not angry w/ me.
In His Grip!

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/1/2012 21:40 pm

@ Candace - re: post 163 - you keep stating that no one will answer your questions - please re-read posts 51, 52 & 53? - they may not be totally satisfying to you, but they did address the voluntary hierarchical submission/chain of command and equality within the Godhead.

I do not believe anybody is denying that Jesus was born a man, born of a woman, born under the Law - and being a good Torah-observant Jew, OF COURSE He was going to worship and obey God His Father and call Him ‘God’… this is the SAME Person Who also allowed Himself to be baptized ‘to fulfill all righteousness’, even though He had NO sin of which to repent…

Can I completely figure it all out - no! Does that necessitate that it’s illogical - no! You have also claimed we have swallowed the teachings of the Catholic church and the ‘traditions of men’, yet NONE of us have quoted ANY “church-fathers” or theologians at all - we’ve used only scripture. Yes, we ALL have ‘filters’ through which we examine scripture - you do as well. (and I’m not angry while writing this).

We are simply stating that the ‘Word was God’ (v1) and that he ‘tented Himself in human flesh’ (v14) invading human history some 2000 years ago.

We affirm that Jesus existed BEFORE the manger:
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was (John 17:5)

Jesus interestingly enough did not think His Deity was something to grasp on to or cling to… He selectively exercised the PEROGATIVES of Deity at given times:

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped (Phil 2:6)

Jehovah God speaks in Isaiah 44:6 (see also 41:4 & 48:12)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God

Jesus uses the same phrase in Rev 1:17 (v11 is questionable as to Whom is speaking - but since the Father does NOT have a body, v17 can ONLY be Jesus)
And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last

NO human being is ever referred to or refers to himself as the ‘first and the last’ in scripture…

Also in Rev 22:12-13
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last

Jesus very clearly is referred to as God:
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life (1 John 5:20)

And the religious leaders sure thought that Jesus was claiming to be God:
Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God (John 10:32-33)

The writer of Hebrews also calls Jesus God:
But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom (Heb 1:8)

I know, I have gone to www sites that DISMISS ALL these verses for the Deity of Christ, putting their particular ’spin’ on them to disprove such, but just google ‘early church fathers and the deity of christ’ - I agree, that some of the things the early church-fathers said would definitely raise some eyebrows, and that’s why none of us quoted them, for we believe scripture alone attests to the Deity of Christ, but many of these are 1st and 2nd century quotes which tell us the doctrine was taught EARLY, or, and it IS something to ponder, that the ‘church’ went off the rails early…

One such www site:
http://www.letusreason.org/Trin1.htm

For heresies, please see:
http://www.exchangedlife.com/Sermons/topical/trinity/heresies1.shtml

It CERTAINLY APPEARS that ERROR BEGATS ERROR - and it all starts with an understanding of the Person, Nature and Character of God. Look at the JW’s and Mormons for examples of a one-degree (at a minimum) compass error years ago has taken them WAY OFF COURSE today into the Kingdom of the Cults.

I ask ALL in this group to read (shameless plug) my commentaries (Ruth, Nehemiah, Esther, Proverbs, Song of Solomon, Ecclesiastes, Daniel, and now Matthew) and call me on things, for I too am still learning.

By Tractorman (wrote 2592 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/1/2012 12:46 pm

Post #163, Candace: Father & God - are we not referring to the same? God came here to show us how to live - our dependence on Him. It appears, Candace, that you interpret Scripture to a point where it is believable. This is what I am referring to regarding “logic.”

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/1/2012 08:39 am

TSnow #155. you said “why I do I ask why does Jesus have a FAther…” I have never asked that. I know why he has a Father. My question that no one has answered yet is….”if Jesus IS God, why does he HAVE a God?”
And I don’t answer the scriptures by logic, I answer them by ……..”line upon line, precept upon precept here a little & there a little.” Isaiah 28:10
“study to show youreslf aproved…..rightly dividing the word” 2 Tim 2:15
I think God expexts us to know His word. I think He expexts us to meditate upon the word day & night.” Joshua 1:8
Dear T, we can’t know the truth if we’re not willing to study the word & the languages it was written in. Just accepting what some preascher has told us the word says is not good enough. We’re to be “like the Bereans who were more noble because they searched the scriptures day & night to see if these things be so.” Acts 17:11

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 2/1/2012 07:14 am

Dear TSnow, 1st I wanted to pray for your safety on the road & for traveling mercies to surround you. I pray too for angels to be dispenced to gather around you. The scriptures tell us we can call down as many heavenly hosts as we have need of for they are ministering spirits for the heirs of salvation. I call them now in Y’shua’s name for your comfort as you are on these busy highways.

As to your recent post….yes we need to be praying, seeking & manifest the glory of God so those that are lost will have encounter with Him! That is definitely part of the Great Commission. But there is so much more. Y’shua spent his 3.5 yr ministry on earth demonstrating exactly what his Church would look like & the exploits it would be doing!
Here’s a fantastic example of his church………”and these signs shall follow them that BELIEVE; in my name they shall cast out devils, they shall speak w/ new tongues, they shall take up serpents, & if they drink any deadly thing they shall not be harmed: they shall lay hands on the sick & they shall recover”. Mark 16:17 & 18
You see T, there is so very much more to being a Christ follower than going to church once a wk & sittig in a pew for an hr. We are to be mainifesting the Kingdom of Heaven just like our Savior demonstrated while on this earth.
If He is our Head & we His Body on earth, then His Body should be doing the “even greater works” He said we would do in his name…..”he that believes on me, the WORKS that I do shal he do ALSO,& greater works than these shall he do; because I go to my Father.” Jn 14:12 that includes raising the dead.
Y’shua/Jesus is saying the same Spirit that is in him is in us. He did not have to be God to do these miracles anymore than we have to be God. But we do have to be saved by his name, Yahshua, be baptized in that same Name….not Father Son & Holy Ghost. And we do have to be filled with the Holy Spirt, the Ruach of God w/ the evidence of speaking in new tongues.
If we entered into Passover & received the blood of the Lamb of God & are saved, then we must be willing to enter into the next Feast of the LORD which is Pentecost.
If we camp at Passover, we’ll never experience the “power” that allows us to do the “Greater Works” & we’ll not be sealed/engaged (Eph 1:13,14) to our Bridegroom, hence staying as the foolish virgins to be cast away when He comes for His Bride, because they had no Oil/infilling of the H.S…..” Matt 25:8-10
And if we don’t enter into Pentecost, we’ll never be ready for the Feast of Tabernacles that “perfects the Bride” & is the shadow of the Rapture.
The Bride can’t be ready if she doesn’t even know “who” the Groom is.
He’s not the Father/YAHWEH….He’s the Son……Yahshua.

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/31/2012 21:51 pm

Post #160, Candace: Grabbed a few minutes this morning for this. We Christians have a mission from God. That mission is to BE Jesus to the world. The world needs to see the character of Jesus [Gal.5:22-23] in us. These are the attributes of God. People need to see that we have something they need.
When we stand before the “evaluation” seat of Christ [Ac.14:12; 2Cor.5:10]; healing the sick, raising the dead, casting out demons, etc., will not be important. The important thing will be, how you and I allowed God to impact the lives of others through us. That is servanthood, Candace - not what we do for God, but what He does through us. He never does anything outside of the purpose of His will.
Why can’t we pray to be more like Jesus in character - that God would display His character traits in us. That is the biblical meaning of obedience. T.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/31/2012 08:54 am

TSnow, it is the truth. Check any encyclopedia, church history book etc & you will see.
Thanks so much for being willing to check it out!

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/28/2012 08:10 am

Post #158, Candace: This has truly been educational. I am on the road 24/7, hauling freight. I can no longer spend time here. So I humbly sign-off vbvbc.org. Perhaps I will be back during home time next week. God’s blessing to you all.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/28/2012 08:08 am

Oh TSnow you are a challenge.
Matt 10: 6-8, the whole chapter even, is Jesus’ instructions to his disciples & the Church to come. vs 8 “go heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those w/ leporsy & cast of demons….” Jesus gave them the same authority he was GIVEN from his Father. And if these verses are just for Y’shua’s disciples then we should probably throw out this whole chapter of Matthew???
You quoted “….baptized in the name of the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost…” Did you know there are no manuscripts to back that up. That comes from the perversion of the Latin Vulgate. The manuscripts we do have read: ” go….baptizing them in MY NAME…” What is the “name”???
Is it Father? Is it Son? Is it Holy Spirit?????
There is only ONE name by which we are saved. Do you know what it is????
I’ve personally met a man who was healed of leporsy when prayed for & was blessed to hear a missionary who had just come back from Africa w/ film documented by doctors of a man raised from the dead after he & his team laid hands on him.
If you’d like to watch an incredible testimony of a USA Dr Chauncey who very recently raised a man from the dead after God told him to go & DO IT….that testimony is on Pat Robinson’s 700 Club. Go to CBN 700 Club & look for it. It’s absolutely wonderful!!!!
T, that’s what Y’shua’s Church is suppose to be doing!

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/28/2012 07:59 am

Post #145, Candace: Quite honestly, I give little weight to the teachings of Michael F. Blume.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/28/2012 07:59 am

Post #151, Candace: “The Great Commission” -
“Then Jesus came to them and said, ‘All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age” [Mt.28:18-20].
Christians are not commissioned to “raise the dead,” but to share the Gospel with the world, beginning at Jerusalem [Ac.1:7-8].
Further, we are called to allow Jesus, abiding in us through the presence of His Holy Spirit, to live His life in us [Gal.2:20]. This does not mean doing the things He did here on earth, such as raising the dead. It means, through obedience, allowing Jesus to “manifest” His attributes in us [the Fruit of the Spirit - Gal.5:22-23].

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/28/2012 07:17 am

Post #154, Candace: The Catholic Church may very well teach G in three Persons, but it hardly originated with Catholicism. I do not comment on the many verses/passages you offer because I do know what they teach and it is nit what you want them to. If you KNOW we take the Bible by faith and not “logic,” why do you insist on interpreting it from a “logical” viewpoint? Questions such as, “Why does Jesus have a Father?” - While on earth, Jesus was God’s example of how WE are to live. God came down here in the body of Jesus to show us what He’s looking for. Yes, Jesus was dependent on God the Father demonstrating OUR dependence on Him, you see? God made Himself visible to the world in the body of Jesus Christ. This is a biblical concept you have not been able to grasp. It is neither pagan nor Catholic. It is an eternal truth. Always has been.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/27/2012 10:38 am

Dear TSnow, It appears to me you just ignore the many scriptures I offer & go directly back to what you’ve always been taught. Re-read these scriptures about Jesus beng wholely dependant on his Father for everything. That he can do absolutely no miracles w/out his Father flowing through him. Read the ones where he went to his own home town & “could do NO miracles except for a few healings because of their unbelief.” (Mk 6:5)
Now is the perfect time to come out from under the false teaching of the Catholic Church & it’s bogus Latin Vugate & really study the word of God to show yourself approved of God. (2 Tim 2:15) Truths are being offered here that few are ever taught in their dead churches. We are in an hour where “all things are being restored before the return of Messiah.” (Acts 3:21)
There is literally a “movement” of God’s Spirit upon those who are pressing in. Those who will let go of false & pagan teachings from Constantine to the establishment of the Catholic Institution & their multi-paganized religion, will begin to really “know” the One true God & His Christ. (Jn 17:3) Wouldn’t you rather have the truth of God’s Word over the many false teachings of paganized religion???
These very ones, seeking truth, are those who are feeling persecution from the established church right now. Very few seem to be willing to let go of traditions & pride sets itelf up w/ a vengence.
Boy! I sure jumped at the chance to come out of dead religion when it was offered to me.
God Bless you,T & I mean that w/ all my heart.

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/26/2012 21:11 pm

Repost #152: Forgive me. It was actually 2 questions.

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/26/2012 03:17 am

Post #147, Candace… You have stated you believe the fullness of God dwelt in Christ. For some reason you have refused to consider what that means - the “fullness of God.” Again, ‘fullness’ means, “all that is possible.”
Further, no - God did not come to earth, leaving heaven unoccupied. As has been made abundantly clear, God made Himself visible to the world in the body of Jesus Christ. He is everything that God is. He [Jesus] is worthy of praise, honor and glory. Only God is due praise, honor and glory.
The passages you use to disprove God in three Persons, actually show the truth of it.
One question, if you don’t mind: you have attended Bible college? Where?

By TSnow (wrote 174 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/26/2012 03:17 am

I need to add one more thought to my last 2 posts concerning THE MAN YAHSHUA HA MASCHIAH/Jesus the Christ. He clearly taught the miracles were not his doing but His Father’s:

“I myself can do nothing: I judge & my judgement is just; becaue I seek not my own will but the will of the Father which hath sent me.” Jn 5:30….

“then Jesus answered & said to them, Verily, verily I say unto you; the Son can do nothing of himself but what he sees the Father do: for whatsoever HE does, these also does the Son likewise.” Jn 5:19

Jesus does not have to be God to do miracles any more than the Church/Ekklesia has to be God. It’s by the power of the Ruach ha Kodesh given by God that does these mighty things though us for His Own Glory. The Son was/is obedient to the Father even now as God’s High Priest.(Heb 2:17). We are obedient to the Son who is our head & we his body & obedient to the will of the Father.
Jesus raised the dead…we are to raise the dead etc. Is that not our Great Commission? Just read the gospels & the Book of Acts if you want to see what “real” Church looks like.
In His Grip

By Candace (wrote 219 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/25/2012 19:18 pm