John 1: 1 Commentary

Thank you T, I know that very well. But until Jesus came they did take away the sins for that yr. That’s why the Israelites had to keep the Feasts of the LORD yr after yr after yr UNTIL Messiah came.(LEVITICUS 15:16)
When they rejected God’s Messiah & kept keeping the feasts complete w/ sacrifices…Yahweh made sure the temple was utterly destroyed in 70 AD, I said that. Jesus prophesied it when he told them “no stone would be left on top of another.” Matt 24:2
If you read the O.T. where God instituted His Holy Feasts i.e. Feast of Atonement, He accepted the blood sacrifices when the “high priest” (a type of Christ) entered into the Holy of holies (another type) and the people’s sins were forgiven for that year because Yahweh “accepted” the offering. Lev 15:16
As I said in post 147 i.e. Heb 9:12-14 When the “antiype” was finally given by God the type was done away with.

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/25/2012 06:27 am

Repost #148: trees but not seeing the forest. T.

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/25/2012 00:40 am

Post #147, Candace: those sacrifices wetrees but not seeing the forrest.re only a SHADOW of the coming, ultimate sacrifice of Jesus - they never took away sins. Please study Heb.10. With all rhe love in my heart Candace, you’re lookung at the

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/25/2012 00:38 am

Scott Dale, I’m going to make an attempt to continue where I have left off. I can not promise I will be able to finish but God willing, I’ll get as far as I can.

About a “mere” man atoning for all the sins ever committed & yet to be commited. That seems to trouble you greatly. so you have said that “God became a man through the miracle of incarnation.”

I’ve stated many scriptures that tell us God is not nor ever will be a man. I’m not saying He can’t if He wants to but He seems to be saying HE ISN’T & WON”T. And God’s made it clear, He provides the atonement & He alone accrpts it or rejects it.
Example: At every Feast of Atonement up until the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD God “accepted” the blood of lambs, rams & bullocks for THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS. Lev 16:30 is only one of the many vs stating this.

Think of it Scott, if God accepted these crude animals & the people were cleansed of their sin for the coming year, how much MORE would the sinless, only begotten Son of God be accepted by His Father! It was His plan!

Heb 9:22 “for almost all things are by the law purged w/ blood & w/out the shedding of blood is no remission.”….vs 24-28″ but Christ/Anointed One has entered into heaven itself to appear in the presence of “God”. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.” KJV

Heb 10:6; “in burnt offerings & sacrifices You/Yahweh have no pleasure…vs 7 “I come (in the volume of the books it is written of me) to do Your will Oh God.”

You said that God became a man & therefore He became Jesus. That’s the miracle of “incarnation”. Does that mean Yahweh was no longer God but now He’s His Son, Jesus???? Does that mean all the 33 yrs Jesus walked the earth there was no God in heaven???? Does that mean God died & who than was left to raise Him/God from the dead???? Who did Jesus pray to? Who spoke from heaven…”this is My beloved Son in whom I am well pleased.???? Or are there really 2 Gods? One greater & one lesser????

Your theology falls so far from the word of God when seen through the corrupt lens of the Catholic Institution where the manuscripts were translated into Latin & perverted w/ the paganism of this church & all it pagan rituals & traditions that form it’s “universal” make up.

Have you ever read William Tyndale’s N.T. written in 1534? He was greatly persecuted by the C.Church & eventually put to death for retranslating the Latin scriptures back into their original Hebrew & Greek to then translate them into English for the common people to once again have the word of God in their own hands. The KJV of 1611 was taken from the Latin Vulgate w/ all it’s many errors & trinitarian bent & that has become “the standard” for all our bibles.

I would like to leave you w/ an assignment if you’d like. Please reseach the word “incarnation”. It is a pagan ritual used by witches & the like to call their gods to come & enter into a human being. Once these gods have enterd into that person they completely taken over so the person no longer has a will of their own. The god or goddes now has full control to do whatever it pleases.

To answer your question, Scott Dale…do I believe in the miracle of God taking over the control of His son’s body through “incarnation”….no! I do not. I believe the scriptures that plainly teach…..”for all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell in Christ.” Col 1:19 And when the Ruach of God departed Y’shua for the 1st time in his life, as he became sin on that cross, Y’shua cried out…..”my God, my God why hast Thou forsaken me?” One God & He is YHWH!

I believe Only the Word of God that’s been translated as closely as we are able to get from the Hebrew & Greek manuscripts that are still available. All be it they are copies of copies of copies of copies. But I believe in the miracle of God having perserved all we need ……..”until we come into the unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a full grown man, unto the measure & stature of the fullness of Christ.” NKJV

I know you have a couple more questions that I haven’t gotten to. If you would like them answered I will try at another time.
With a heart full of agape………..be blessed.

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/24/2012 23:08 pm

Dearest Scott…..I would like to start w/ post 109 if I may. Glorious God & Father of my Precious Savior, please grant me wisdom & Your guidance as I attempt to answer my precious brother.
“Is anything impossible for God?” Unless you can show why it is beneath the nature or dignity of God to become a man, how can you say it is impossible?”

I can only & always stand on God’s Word & that alone. I will not go to extra biblical terms or doctrines of men. The only references I want to draw from will be Hebrew & Greek words & their meanings & a few words & phrases that are bought up time & time again that demand a 2nd look. Other than that I am hoping to rely solely on God’s Word.

By God’s Own Word He has stated “that I am not a man that I should lie or a son of man that I should repent.” “I Am the LORD, I change not.” Mal 3:6 & I Sam 15:29 “the Glory of Israel will not lie or change His mind; for He is not a man that He should change His mind.” NAS
I see a God Who is telling us He changes not & that He is not a man. I stand on that & I take God at His word.
There are things that God can not do…..He can not lie. He can not be tempted. He can not die, He is eternal, everlasting, the alpha & omega. He can not force His will on us by His Own word. He can not cease from being God………….”Father of lights with whom there is no variableness, or shasow of turning.” James 1:17
If God ceased being God, all of creation would come to an an abrupt halt & would instantly collapse. ” all the heavens where made by You…& You perserve them” paraphrase Ne9:6
But….God has promised a Savior, Messiah, a Son that on this day He has begotten him. We owe it to that Son “to come to the knowledge of the Son of God” Eph 4:13

I am so sorry Scott…I just can not go on. I will come back when I am able. Please refrain from comments until I have finished & then I will gladly recieve your thoughts……..

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/24/2012 08:16 am

post 141….T, why use the pagan term “trinity” at all if it’s not in God’s Word? One of my majors was Church History & The Origin of Religion.
You’d be shocked to see how many pagan trinities there are throughout history…..if you’re interested in reading about some of them got to http://mikeblume.com/pagntr.htm I’m not familiar w/ M Blume but am very familar w/ this history.
Hence…this is expressly why we have a God that was so adamant about having a choosen people that WILL NOT serve the pagan gods of the heathen. “I AM the LORD, thy GOD & thou SHALT NOT have ANY FALSE gods before Me.”
The trinity is as pagan as the day is long & I think it really does matter to God that we know Him & the truth of who His Son is.
” if you do not believe Yeshua the Messiah came as a human being you are anti-messiah.” CJB

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 19:49 pm

so very sorry…another blog just ripped from my hands before I had time to correct it:(

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 19:27 pm

Tiuche, you have spoken of a little god ogods. The Father being GOD/Elohim & Jesus being a lesser god. Boy that sure reeks of polytheism to me. I’m not being disrespectfull. I’m trying to ge to the bottom of this horrible deception.
You are abolutely correct in saying …”know ye that they ye are gods>” Jn 10:34 And yes, Jesus is called “a fod”. There is much confusion in the term God/Elohim & gods/having authrority from God. The 2 Greek word are Ton Theon meaning the Almighty Elohim. theos or theoi means god or gods.
In the O.T. as well as the new we see where God’s Word called angels theoi/gods, Moses called theos/god & the Son of God called theos/god. None of these usages means these are now the Mighty EL/Yahweh. In every case they mean “having the authroity” to speak on El’s/Yahweh’s behalf. Not unserstand the Greek or the Hebrew brings much confusion.
Thus the infamous scripture Ps 110:1 “the LORD/Yahweh said of my Lord/ladonai sit at My right hand until I/Yahweh make your enemies your footstool.” In this scripture we can see clearly that Yahweh has promised to seat His Son Ladonai/David;s master on the throne of David & make every enemy Yahshua/Jesus’ footstool. David, by inspiration of the Ruah of God is prophesying that the Messiah that is promised to come will be Lord over him/David as Lord of lords & King of kings. This is the throne of David Yahweh has promised His Son. Luke 1:32: “he/Jesus shall be great, and be called the son of the Highest; and the Lord God shall give unto him/Jesus the throne of his father, DAVID.”

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 19:25 pm

#130 TSnow, when I say Y’shua is the Son of God…I mean ALL the fullness of Deity/God dwells in him. What I don’t believe is the trinity doctrine that calls the (Son of God/Son of man), God the Son. That is found nowhere in all of scripture. You can’t find even one verse that calls Messiah, “God the Son”. Why would any of us twist God’s Word by naming the Son another God?. He is the Son of God w/ the fullness of his Fathr dwelling in himself. All the essence of God choose to dwell w/in him that the world might know the Father through the Son. Immanuel “God w/ us” equals “all the fullness of the One & Only God dwelling in His Son. Not that God no longer existed in heaven seated on His throne or ceased to be everywhere present as scripture says He is….but all the fullness of His essence/Ruach was/is in His Son manifested.
Y’shua/Jesus IS the “image” of THE INVISIBLE GOD. God can not & has not been seen by any man but He can be seen & known through the Son of man. Image is not the actual substance. Image is like a mirror reflecting something else. Jesus is THAT REFELECTION of the invisible God. That is what the scriptures are saying.

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 18:30 pm

Post #140, TIUCHE; Bro, I havenot once gone beyond what is written. “Trinity” is simply the term used to describe God manifesting Himself in three Persons. I’m out time due to being on the road. But will get back. Be well.

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 14:52 pm

Post #139 T. snow:

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.1 Corinthian 8:5-6. Let us stick with this scripture on who are God and Lord is instead of the Trinity.

T Snow the Trinity as an extra biblical doctrine serves only to divide as believers. If it is wrong as a doctrine ( I said IF)…then those who teach the Trinity will be found liars, right? As a doctrine it is also open to many questions and doubts. For example:

1. God the Father is a person , Jesus is a person no doubts about them being persons; but how about the Holy Spirit is it is also a person?

2. We know that God the Father have a Spirit, and that Jesus have a Spirit and their Spirits are Holy; but how about the Holy spirit as a person does He also have a Spirit?

3. Does the Spirit have a spirit?

4. How many Holy Spirit as a God are there? One? Seven?

All the answers you will have on these questions are barely supported by scriptures…so why not stick on the scriptures and not go beyond what is revealed?

But if you insist with the Trinity…okay that won’t cause any problem with our salvation I believe…but we will remain divided by that.

By TIUCHE (wrote 3264 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 12:20 pm

Post #129, TIUCHE: Certainly, there are passages wherein interpretation may differ from one individual to another, such as in the epistles. However, there are other passages which remain rock solid, such as salvation; eternal security; and of course, the Deity of Christ.
With regard to “other gods”? They are pagan. There is only one true God, there is no other [Deut.4:39]. God makes this truth clear throughout Scripture, but one verse is sufficient.

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 11:35 am

Post #130, Candace: When we say, “Jesus IS God,” what is meant is, He is the “fullness” of God, which is what Paul is writing in Col.2:9. “For in Christ the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.” There is no hidden meaning here.
In the verse prior… “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. FOR…”
Apparently, there was [as today], the teaching going around that Jesus isn’t the fullness of God in bodily form. Paul is writing to warn us not to be influenced by such a teaching, BECAUSE [”For”] in Christ the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. This verse parallels 1Tim.3:16, that “God was manifest in the flesh.”
“Fullness of [the] Deity”… “Fullness” means, “containing all that is possible.” It does not mean lesser, but equal. We can also look at Phil.2:1-11, where the apostle writes that “equality with God ” was/is not easily grasped, just as is going on here.
Yes, Jesus knew what would happen and the glory afterward. He was [while here] THE example for us to follow. We endure difficult times in this life, but Scripture tells us there is a reward [2Cor.4:16-18].

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 10:57 am

Oh, Tiuche….I “see” & “hear” exactly what you are saying & yes, Jezebel is well & strong in our midst. A very distrutive spirit & one that will not come down w/out a fight! Our weapons indeed are not carnal & it will take “unity” amongst the brethren & submission to authority. And the LOVE of God in ways we very seldom see. Your words are heard. Yes, indeed they are.

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 06:18 am

Scott Dale, I am not refusing to answer you at all. My dialog w/ you takes prayer & stamina. I don’t want to just carelessly throw something out there. I want to be thinking clear & I want an anointing be upon me when I come to you. And I want to maintain my submission to you.
There is something quite different w/ you. Not that I diminish any of these other precious ones…I do not. But w/ you I have a greater responsiblity to be accurate & alert. Which most of the time I am neither.
I can’t tell you right now why this is so but I do believe the Lord has given me something concerning you that is very special. If He directs me to share that w/ you, I will do that w/ much pleasure. If He does not give me that go ahead, then I will have to suffer it until He does.

Trust me Scott, please. There is much more. I can answer you. I am not stuck or stymied in any way. I don’t hold my position because of logic or pride or any such thing. I hold it because of God’s word & that alone.
I realy wish I could just get to it now, but I physically can’t….
I don’t want to keep bringing that up because I destest it so much & I don’t want the sympathy….I just want to be free.

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 06:11 am

Scott Dale: Allow me to remind you the summation of my comment in that post you just mentioned. Here is what i was trying to lead all you into-
from post#132:

But if anyone of you won’t yield your position does that matter at all? I believe that won’t matter…for all of our opinions are only our surmising of what or who is God. All of us now see through the smoked glass darkly but when the TRUTH will come on the 7th Trumpet then the mystery of God will be finished! Let us all remember that we cannot put God in our pocket to enclose Him in our limited minds and thinking.

I beseech you all including Tractorman to focus on one important duty this very hour-THE PULLING DOWN OF THE BIG BIG LIE ON MARRIAGE AND FAMILY- to turn the hearts of the father to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers!

If all of you fail to do this while families and individuals suffers because of the false system & doctrine on marriage & family-you would have failed the Lord Jesus words: OCCUPY TILL I COME! You are all here to set the captives free-to help in anyway to stop the enemy from making it hard on the Saints of God-shouts these to the mountaintops. Jesus said “What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.”Matthew 10:27.

“The use of history is to give value to the present hour and its duty.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

THAT was what i was leading all of you into…to pull down the stronghold OF SATAN on THE BIG BIG LIE ON MARRIAGE & FAMILY-his false notions and thoughts which had made and are making Jezebels of our women to destroy men like in the days of Adam & Eve-the lie swallowed by the mother of mankind to thwart the work of God on earth.

1 Corinthian 10:4-5 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

If I fail myself to convince everyone of you all of this…i have already done my job on warning…but perhaps it is falling on deaf ears and eyes that cannot see!

By TIUCHE (wrote 3264 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 05:45 am

Tiuche,

You ask:

“With these scriptures I cannot understand too why Scot Dale, perhaps T Snow and the rest won’t yield their belief that Jesus is not co-equal with God since Jesus Himself said that the Father is greater than Himself and all the gods since there are many other gods.”

I’ve answered this point in post #127 paragraph 3. But to restate it again, the answer is in the miracle of the incarnation. How does God (the Son) become a man? Yes, it was necessary to take on human flesh (a body), but more importantly it was necessary to set aside His attributes and authority of deity. This is what it means when it says “He humbled himself” in Philippians 2. By virtue of this voluntary act, Jesus the Son became LESS than the Father.

At present, Jesus is STILL less than the Father because He has not yet received back the fullness of the glory and power that he set aside when He came to earth. The reason for this is because the fullness of our redemption is not complete. When that finally happens, Jesus, THE MAN, will be in full possession of every divine prerogative and glory that he possessed even before the Creation.

So, yes, it can honestly be said that the Son, in His humanity, is LESS than the Father. But this only tells half of the story!

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 05:15 am

Candace,

After reading your post #130, am I not correct that you simply don’t believe that God has the power to become a man if he wanted to? You are not refusing to believe that Jesus is God because it is so manifestly evident from the scriptures you quote because NONE of them verify such a position. To the contrary, these same scriptures testify to the genuineness of the humanity of Christ. You say that if Jesus were really God (the Son) that somehow his suffering and death must have been a ruse because you refuse to believe that He was capable of actually becoming a man and genuinely suffering. Why do you make your God so impotent?

For some reason, you have evidently found your position to be intellectually satisfying because you hold to it so tenaciously. But why haven’t you tried to rebutt the intellectually DIS-satisfying position that the life of ONE man can somehow atone for all the sins committed from the time of Adam? Or that the value of just ONE man can somehow fully satisfy the infinite demands of God’s justice? Candace, you have no answers for these things; and you don’t even try to discuss them. The doctrine of the incarnation is not some diabolical invention of man; and even if it were what is the point of concocting such a doctrine? Does it minimize God’s glory in any way? NO! It magnifies it! You say you understand the doctrine of the Trinity but I say you don’t understand it at all for if you did you would have never considered the incarnation to be an impossibility.

Candace, God’s love for you could NEVER be adequately displayed through the work of one individual human being. Why should God entrust the delivery of such precious and infinite treasure to some mortal proxy? What kind of a God would he be? No Candace, He came HIMSELF to tell and show you how much he loves you.

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 04:46 am

Candace: Your reasoning SEEMS right but here ARE the scripture that tells us Christ is God and yet lesser than His Father-the Almighty God:

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all (including Jesus himself) …

Hebrew 1:8 But unto the Son He says, Your throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.

John 20:28 Thomas said to him(Jesus), “My Lord and my God!”

John 10:34-36 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

In the light of these scriptures why won’t we believe Jesus is God? If men are even called gods by God through the scriptures, should we think that calling or believing Jesus as God be not appropriate? Even Thomas the Apostle called Jesus not only his Lord but also His God!

With these scriptures I cannot understand too why Scot Dale, perhaps T Snow and the rest won’t yield their belief that Jesus is not co-equal with God since Jesus Himself said that the Father is greater than Himself and all the gods since there are many other gods.

But if anyone of you won’t yield your position does that matter at all? I believe that won’t matter…for all of our opinions are only our surmising of what or who is God. All of us now see through the smoked glass darkly but when the TRUTH will come on the 7th Trumpet then the mystery of God will be finished! Let us all remember that we cannot put God in our pocket to enclose Him in our limited minds and thinking.

I beseech you all including Tractorman to focus on one important duty this very hour-THE PULLING DOWN OF THE BIG BIG LIE ON MARRIAGE AND FAMILY- to turn the hearts of the father to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers!

If all of you fail to do this while families and individuals suffers because of the false system & doctrine on marriage & family-you would have failed the Lord Jesus words: OCCUPY TILL I COME! You are all here to set the captives free-to help in anyway to stop the enemy from making it hard on the Saints of God-shouts these to the mountaintops. Jesus said “What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.”Matthew 10:27.

“The use of history is to give value to the present hour and its duty.”
-Ralph Waldo Emerson

By TIUCHE (wrote 3264 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 03:49 am

Tiuche, you are dear before the Lord. I am encouraged by your understanding & it gives me great hope for the Church to finally come out of Babylon. I do say that w/ much love.

You’ve said you don’t understand why Candace doesn’t believe in the deity of Christ. For a number of reasons Tiuche. If I may, let try to explain.

1. Christ means “anointed one” so One greater than himself is the Anointer. That cancels out co-equal
2. The scriptures themselves make it so clear that “the fullness of Deity/God DWELT in Christ. “It pleased the Father that in Christ all His fullness should dwell.” Col 1:19. There’s no need for another God if all of the One & Only God is dwelling in Christ manifesting Himself through His Son, doing the works. Christ said…………”the Father that lives in me does the works.” Jn 14:10 I see the One God, Yahweh.
3. With antcipation of our own transformation from glory to glory that when a fallen & lost world sees us they will see the Father just like He’s seen in the Son……….”And we, with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord’s glory are beng transformed into his likeness w/ ever increasing glory, which comes from the LORD Who is Spirit.” NIV What a PROMISE for the faithful!

And lastly….we who are filled w/ the Spirit of God are not God & if God chooses to indwell me does make Him/Yahweh a woman….”even if He’d choose to be a woman”???

God has said…”I am not a man that I should lie, neither the son of a man that He should repent.” Num 23:19

That dear Brother, is why I don’t believe Christ IS God…” I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of GOD IN CHRIST.’ Phil 3:14

Glory to GOD & Father of our Lord Yeahshua!

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/23/2012 00:53 am

TSnow I was raised from a child into adulhood on the the doctrine of the trinity. At 15 I began to have trouble w/ it but as a Catholic, you didn’t question anything w/out severe consequences. I was very obedient & submissive & wouldn’t dare question those w/ authroity over me. Not even my disfunctional, abusive parents. But that did not stop the turmoil inside.
As a Catholic, we were strongly discouraged from reading the bible as our laymen’s mind couldn’t comprehend it anyway. We were led to believe only the clergy could understand God’s word & our priest would tell us what we needed to know. The battle was on for me.
At 15 I remember walking home from catechism class after a particularly troubling teaching. I was having a one sided conversation w/ “God the Son”
when I asked him out loud…..if you’re God, knowing full well you’d be resurrected & go right back to heaven, rule from your throne after a “show” of suffering & pretending to die…because God can’t die after all…how is it that I’m suppose to believe that this was some horrible sacrifice w/ pain beyond imaging???? Where’s this sacrifice….YOU’RE GOD?!

I didn’t even have a working understanding of the Word yet but this doctrine was already troubling my logic. And yes, I know, we take it by faith not logic.
When I finally was saved, free from catholic bondage & was free to be taught fresh & study the Word to my heart’s content, I beagan to see all the many, many scriptures showing the plan of God & a Son that would be our kindman redeemer & he really would die & the ONE True God would really raise him from the dead. And Jesus really does have an inheritance because he’s not God, His Father is giving him an inheritance & we’re joint heirs w/ the Son. I began to see an intimate & intricate plan unfolding from Gen 1:1 right down to Rev 22:21

So, TSnow, it’s not that I don’t understand the doctrine of the trinity….it’s the more I’ve come to understand the Word of God, that makes it impossible to believe in such a thing.

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 23:31 pm

T SNOW, CANDACE & SCOT DALE: Here is how i assess & summarize your comments with regards to the Trinity. As I have read your various comments, I noticed that T. Snow & Scot Dale are believers of the Trinity Doctrine “Three persons in one Godhead; while Candace is not a believer of the Trinity.

I do agree with Candace that the Trinity is not only a doctrine that(MAY-on my part only since Candace seems quit sure)WAS derived from the pagans but it is a EXTRA BIBLICAL TERM & DOCTRINE! And you know the problems that comes with extra biblical terms and doctrines-these oftentimes are either too high or too low on the Standard Set by God-oftentimes these extra biblical doctrines and terms either limits or make God’s Word void.

Three person in one God/ Godhead? Do we limit God in the number of persons that composed the Godhead? Are we really sure there are only three? Or isn’t there only two person in the Godhead-the Father and the Son? Why won’t we just stick with the Bible by praying to God the Father and asking it in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord? Why won’t we just call on the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob- Jehovah/ Yahweh…so we won’t be disunited by introducing an extra biblical term and doctrine? Why should we not just stick on the Word of God?

On the other hand I just can’t understand Candace why she insist that Jesus can’t be God when I ,Scot and others had showed her the verses where Jesus is clearly seen as God although lesser than His Father( also our Father) in knowledge, power and office. Although again Scot would also not believe that Jesus is lesser than His Father!

Again why won’t we just consider the possibility that anyone one of us maybe correct in our opinions while holding on also to our opinions? Let us all just be aware of all possibilities keeping & holding it in our hearts while not discarding our own opinions-till the day when the Truth shall be clearly seen by us!

By TIUCHE (wrote 3264 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 16:47 pm

Post #124, Candace: Let’s see… correct me if I am wrong, but you mentioned being taught, at some point, the doctrine of the Trinity - God manifesting Himself in three Persons. However, it has not yet been grasped.
It would be fruitless to continue in explanation as you have already decided it is not true in your statement, “three headed pagan god.” Only God can clarify this truth for you, and no one else. T.

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 13:54 pm

Candace, (post 119)

You said: “Why won’t anyone answer me or do we just pretend all of these and the many more that show Y’shua to be The Last Adam & The Lamb “of” God, are not really God’s Word???????
Why do we have to keep using terminology like “God the Son” & “incarnate” which aren’t even biblical terms?
How can I comfortably believe what you are demanding is truth when these things must be dealt with & are plain scripture……………help.”

The plain scriptures you present as contradictory to the deity of Christ can all be understood by the miracle of the incarnation. I’m not suggesting that this is easy to believe because if the Eternal Son of God were to become a man, what exactly does that mean? In other words; did he REALLY become a man in the person of Jesus? How does the infinite fit into the finite? How does the creator become the created?

I don’t know exactly how He did it, but when God (the Son) agreed to enter this world in full humanity, at the very least it meant that he would have to LAY ASIDE each of his divine attributes and become every bit as vulnerable as any other human being. This he CHOSE to do. This is precisely what Philippians 2:6-9 is talking about. Had he not really done this his identification with humanity would be a lie; but in so doing, Jesus was “forced” to live in total dependence on His Father via the Spirit. Surely, before he ever left heaven for earth he “counted the cost” knowing that the strong temptation to cut and run back to heaven would come upon Him the nearer He came to the Cross. However, had he done so, His mortal flesh would have had to remain behind in the dust of the earth thereby excluding ALL flesh from ever entering heaven. Indeed, the work of redemption would have ceased and ALL men would have perished.

But you and I know the end of the story, Jesus did NOT cut and run. He lived by faith; He learned obedience; He prayed; He cried; He rejoiced; He laughed; He anguished; He suffered torment and physical pain. In other words He tasted the full range of human experience because he was (is) REALLY human!

And if you can bear this just a little longer, the wonder of wonders is still ahead! Jesus, the Son of God is BACK in heaven but now he is there wearing the cloak of glorious humanity! What this means is that all of His divine attributes that He laid aside in order to come to earth as a man (omniscience, omnipotence, etc) are now back within his grasp* as not only the Son of God; but the Son of MAN as well! It is the story of God becoming a man; and a man becoming God! This is the glorious future of those of us who are counted worthy to sit WITH Him on His throne.

So, all the verses that you stumble on make perfect sense because the Son of God really DID become a man in all weakness and frailty.., but He never forgot where He came from and who His Father was!

*Footnote: I say, “within His grasp” because I personally think Jesus, the Son of MAN, has NOT yet reclaimed the fullness of His deity that he had formerly laid aside when he came to earth. The ministry of the Holy Spirit through the Church is presently the main focus of God’s plan of redemption on the earth. When the Day comes to call his Body heavenward and we are all gathered around the Throne, then we shall witness our Savior’s coronation as King of kings and he will crowned, AS A MAN, with every glory and power that He laid aside over 2000 years ago and He invites us to share it with Him!! I believe this is what’s happening in Revelation 5.

God bless you.

By Scott Dale (wrote 581 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 08:36 am

Does this mean I don’t get any of my questions answered?

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/22/2012 07:12 am

@ ALL - I think our answer to MUCH of this lies right here in John 1:1 itself.

Let’s break it down, take it REAL SLOW with short, one-word answers… please: no BLOGGING 15 paragraphs quoting from Psalms, Isaiah or anything else - deal?

In the beginning was the Word (Logos) or word (logos):

Two Questions:

1) To what is the ‘beginning’ referring?
2) To what or whom is the logos referring?

Let’s go real slow - short answers please!

By Tractorman (wrote 3584 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/20/2012 20:57 pm

TSnow…which God are we suppose to become like, God the Father, God the Son or God the Holy Ghost??? Is Jesus just an empty body shell that God entered into & took posession of like demons do or pagan gods are said to do???? Did Peter say “you are the “Christ” (anointed one) the “son” of the living God”? Or did Peter say you are the empty body shell the “ONE” God, who is really 3 gods, is controlling????

By Candace (wrote 286 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/20/2012 20:25 pm

Repost #122: sorry again. ….. but God put all His fullness in the body of Jesus. This is why we read, “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/20/2012 20:13 pm

Post #119, Candace: lets see… Jesus Christ is the “fullness of Deity” (God, Col.2:9). So in Christ, ALL THE FULLNEES of God lives in bodily form. God came to us in Jesus, to show us HOW TO get the most out of this life - that we are dependent on Him. He showed us how to pray and how to treat each other. Recall Paul’s words in Rom.8 - “Those God foreknew (all of us) He also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of His Son…” We are called to be like Jesus - in character. What are the attributes of God? They are the friut of the Spirit (Gal.5; love, joy, peace…). Once again, God created this life and then came here to show us how to live it.
Recall Jesus asked His discples, “Who do you say I am?” And Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” What Peter was saying was, “You are the fullness of the Deity,” “You are God in the body of a man.”
No, God the Father did not come down here Himself; He is Spirit. But He made all His

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/20/2012 20:08 pm

Post #119, Candace: lets see… Jesus Christ is the “fullness of Deity” (God, Col.2:9). So in Christ, ALL THE FULLNEES of God lives in bodily form. God came to us in Jesus, to show us HOW TO get the most out of this life - that we are dependent on Him. He showed us how to pray and how to tr

By TSnow (wrote 285 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 1/20/2012 19:42 pm