John 10: 30 Commentary

For Jesus to say, I and my Father are one, is not to be interpreted that He is greater than His Father! It is to be interpreted like all men are equal but not all men have the same glory and positions. There are lesser men & men greater than others, yet all men are equal….Jesus is equal with God (Philippians 2:6) and make himself God (John 10:33) yet the Father is GREATER THAN HIM (John 10:29) just one verse above how could we not see it?

Jesus Mighty God and His Father Almighty God…

By TIUCHE (wrote 2753 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/11/2011 14:33 pm

The Trinity is a principle found in the whole Bible starting with Genesis when YHVH said, ”Let, Us make man in Our Image” ”Us” and Our” is the Hebrew word, ”Echad” and is a uniplural word. Man being made in YHVH’S Image is triune also with spirit, soul and body, three parts that can be separated. YHVH’s Wisdom i is in His Triune Nature. He sent His Son into the world, so we can KNOW HIM. As Jesus said; Joh 10:38 “but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” Joh 17:3 “And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. This is so we can KNOW YHVH personally, and hear His voice.

By SoundDoc (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/11/2011 11:55 am

Jesus Christ asserted His Deity as the God-Man. The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. They did not understand that Jesus Christ was in union with the Godhead in bodily form with human and divine natures united.

By Roland G (wrote 1414 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/26/2010 23:08 pm

Is Jesus the Saviour? “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” (Isaiah 43:11)

“Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:” (Philippians 2:6)

By Jason W. Elder (wrote 314 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/13/2010 21:56 pm

I address the comments of Dave(#3, last para, where he has raised a question, “When saying, “I and the Father are one,” did Jesus mean that they were equal?”
The principle that the scripture interprets itself holds true here as well. When the Jews heard Jesus saying these words in John 10:30, they responded, “Because that thou, being a man, maketh thyself God.” This was the import of the words Of Jesus, that “HE WAS GOD”. Jesus did not oppose the way the Jews interpreted His words.

Again, in a similar incident in John 5, where the verse 10 reads as follows: “Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his father, making himself EQUAL WITH GOD”. Jesus had spoken to them in the langauge and the way the Jews understood, and Jesus did not oppose what they understood!

When the scripture interprets that Jesus is God and that He is equal with God the Father, why should we look elsewhere in some encyclopedia or such other sources for a different and deficent interpretation?

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/13/2010 16:22 pm

The last quote is from the Jehovahs’ Witness website. That is full of misquotes and misstatements.

By Mike (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/10/2010 18:26 pm

Faith can not be debated in absolute terms. You believe what you believe. For me, I believe that God has three parts. Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Just as H2O can have three forms, solid(ice), liquid(water), and gas(vapor).

By Dr Ed Dover (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 12/8/2007 07:37 am

In what position does belief in the Trinity put those who cling to it?

It puts them in a very dangerous position. The evidence is indisputable that the dogma of the Trinity is not found in the Bible, nor is it in harmony with what the Bible teaches It grossly misrepresents the true God. Yet, Jesus Christ said: “The hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:23, 24, RS) Thus Jesus made it clear that those whose worship is not ‘in truth,’ not in harmony with the truth set out in God’s own Word, are not “true worshipers.” To Jewish religious leaders of the first century, Jesus said: “For the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’” (Matt. 15:6-9, RS) That applies with equal force to those in Christendom today who advocate human traditions in preference to the clear truths of the Bible.

John 10:30:

When saying, “I and the Father are one,” did Jesus mean that they were equal? Some Trinitarians say that he did. But at John 17:21, 22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: “That they may all be one,” and he added, “that they may be one even as we are one.” He used the same Greek word (hen) for “one” in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus’ disciples do not all become part of the Trinity. But they do come to share a oneness of purpose with the Father and the Son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ.

By Dave (wrote 2 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 9/25/2007 09:52 am

perfetto!

By domenico (wrote 7 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/15/2007 04:22 am

In my opinion the Trinity is from Pagan origin.
This verse is often cited to support the Trinity, even though no third person is mentioned there. But Jesus himself showed what he meant by his being “one” with the Father. At John 17:21, 22, he prayed to God that his disciples “may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, . . . that they may be one just as we are one.” Was Jesus praying that all his disciples would become a single entity? No, obviously Jesus was praying that they would be united in thought and purpose, as he and God were.—See also 1 Corinthians 1:10.
Let’s look what some Encyclopaedias say about the Trinity:
“The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century.” (The Illustrated Bible Dictionary) And a Catholic authority says that the Trinity “is not . . . directly and immediately [the] word of God.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.
The Catholic Encyclopedia also comments: “In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word [tri’as] (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. . . . Shortly afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian.”
The Encyclopedia of Religion admits: “Theologians today are in agreement that the Hebrew Bible does not contain a doctrine of the Trinity.” And the New Catholic Encyclopedia also says: “The doctrine of the Holy Trinity is not taught in the O[ld] T[estament].”
Does the New Testament speak clearly of a Trinity?
The Encyclopedia of Religion says: “Theologians agree that the New Testament also does not contain an explicit doctrine of the Trinity.”
The New Encyclopædia Britannica observes: “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New Testament.”
DID the early Christians teach the Trinity? Note the following comments by historians and theologians:
“Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds.”—The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology.
“The early Christians, however, did not at first think of applying the [Trinity] idea to their own faith. They paid their devotions to God the Father and to Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and they recognised the . . . Holy Spirit; but there was no thought of these three being an actual Trinity, co-equal and united in One.”—The Paganism in Our Christianity.
“At first the Christian faith was not Trinitarian . . . It was not so in the apostolic and sub-apostolic ages, as reflected in the N[ew] T[estament] and other early Christian writings.”—Encyclopædia of Religion and Ethics.
“The formulation ‘one God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. . . . Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”—New Catholic Encyclopedia.

By InThe Truth (wrote 1 Bible Commentary - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/9/2007 00:27 am