“It seems that this chapter is very controversial but let me take a crack at it.”

Me thinks your crack is full of holes.

Commentary by Scott
Posted on: 11/18/2009 13:27 pm

It seems that this chapter is very controversial but let me take a crack at it.
The woman starts out as a real woman giving birth to Jesus Christ. We know it is Him because he will rule all nations with an iron rod and ascended into heaven to his throne. When that happens, Satan and his fallen angels are finally cast out of heaven forever and are now stuck unhappily here on earth. (Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and the sea!) Now that the devil is cast down he persecutes the woman who now represents people - either Israel or a church. Now here is the clincher - the great red dragon has 7 heads and ten horns with 7 crowns upon his head. This is the exact same description of the first beast in chapter 13. This beast represents the Holy Roman Empire. One reason we know this is the “power given to him to continue 42 months. This comes to 1260 prophetic years (1 day = 1 year} the exact duration of the Holy Roman Empire (538-1898). During this time the church takes on pagan roman practices and beliefs (I’ve read over 50 of them) and becomes a blasphemous church. It also persecutes many people who don’t go along with church doctrine (the inquisition etc.)
But there are small groups - remnants from the true apostolic churches who manage to hide out and keep the faith and avoid the wrath of the roman church (Wrath of Satan). So here is the connection: the woman is now these remnant churches. How can we be sure? Look at the time frame for her “fly into the wilderness” -
rev12-14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
Guess what - this time frame = 1+2+1/2 (3-1/2) years and once again in prophetic years it comes to 1260 years - exactly the same as the first beast.
Now, just so we know that she does not represent Israel or its people we have verse 17:
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
So her seed have the testimony of Jesus, so they are not Jews but Christians. And they keep the commandments of God unlike the roman church who deleted the second commandment and changed the fourth from Saturday to Sunday (the pagan roman’s day to worship the sun god.)
I believe this small remnant of true apostolic worship will be the bride of Christ when he returns. The whore of Babylon (the RC Church) and her harlot offspring (SUNday worshipping Protestant churches) will be “fallen” and the final church will be like the church at Philadelphia, praised by Jesus in Rev chapter 3.
So I guess we will have to get used to going to church on Saturday, and oh yeah - Christmas (Saturnalia - Saturn was a roman god)) will have to go as will Easter (Ishtar - dates back to Babylon), Valentines day (Cupid was a roman god) etc, etc.
Oh well, enjoy it while it lasts folks.

Commentary by Jimbo
Posted on: 11/18/2009 12:36 pm

Tammy, I have never read nor heard anything like that. If there is even a smudge of truth about that I would assume that it is a suspicious version, because it doesn’t make any sense. What makes more sense is that someone is validating themselves and giving themself permission to do something inappropriate. Even if that isn’t the case, do beware of those out there that twist the word of God and mislead many. I don’t know you or your situation, but I honestly became worried for you. Just try to be careful.

Commentary by Christina
Posted on: 11/1/2009 14:39 pm

Tammy, I’m a Bible college grad and I don’t recall anything like that. But then again, you learn something everyday.

Commentary by Jason Elder
Posted on: 10/28/2009 16:48 pm

Is there a verse in the Bible that says “a man should take a woman half his age then add 7 years”

Commentary by tammy
Posted on: 10/28/2009 15:07 pm

John, it says she flees into the wilderness. Secondly, it does not mention which wilderness. Only that she fled there for protection from a heinous beast.

Commentary by Christina
Posted on: 9/19/2009 16:50 pm

John,
That might be a little difficult to identify such a mountain since the event of the clothed woman fleeing has not occurred yet. The event is a prophetic that will occur at the last trump (the 7th trump) when the world is subjected to the 7th world government, governed by 10 kings who will rule with AntiX for one hour. These 10 kings will make war with our Messiah (see Rev 17) and be defeated at his appearing. None of that has occurred yet; meaning none of the 7 seals of 7 trumps have been made manifest in history, to date.
And that being said, the “fleeing into the wilderness” may be more of a metaphor than a literal fulfillment of people running around a desert or mountain; especially if the woman represents the remnant church world-wide.

Commentary by Fozman
Posted on: 9/19/2009 08:17 am

could you name the mountain and or mountain pass the sun clothed woman fled to. I believe it was so constructed to allow only so many persons enterance at one time. Thanks

Commentary by john eberwein
Posted on: 9/17/2009 01:58 am

You are doing ok so far. I might pipe in from time to time.

Commentary by Christina
Posted on: 8/20/2009 17:54 pm

After reading most of these post’s, I think I have the general idea’s here. Scott believes it has something to do with the rapture and the church, ect. Fozman is determining his views (hope I am getting this right this time)also with the rapture, but more in a timeline sense. Like where which trumpet fits where in accordance to the rapture. I noticed many references about the snatching up of the baby.

My concern with the rapture in this particular chapter is that, as Christina pointed out, the baby has grown into a child. The word “child” is accented. Not to mention that he is to rule on earth.

So if God snatched him, he put him back. Placing this as the rapture doesn’t quit fit with many getting caught in the clouds to be with God forever after. This why I cannot readily link this to the timeline Foz has created. Or that it has anything to do with the rapture of the church.

Scott, I did understand the difference you presented between metaphoric and symbolic. Good parameters there.

Come on, Christina. We know you want to come out and play. You’re usually more fun than this.

Commentary by Mike
Posted on: 8/20/2009 17:41 pm