Revelation 12: 1 Commentary

Yes, Scott, I know that you hold the same position as does Fozman. Is there any other city built on seven mountains? Do we have to contend for the words mountains and hills? But I raise the questions that come to my mind.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/23/2009 04:15 am

Jayant,

I’m in agreement with Fozman on this point. Without going into detail, Rome was built on 7 hills, not mountains. Besides, “mountains” in this context refers to empires or kingdoms. This is plainly evident in the text. It is a reference to the 6 kingdoms that have ruled the world and the 7th is yet to come (antichrist).

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/23/2009 04:02 am

Reference post # 56:

If we take note of Rev. 17:9 and 18, it is clear that the woman in Rev. 17 has to do with the great city that is situated on the seven mountains and that city is Rome. It is a fact that Rome was built on seven mountains. If this is so, then what the kingdom of Assyria or Egypt have to do with the seven kings? Are we not supposed to see those of the kings that ruled from Rome? The prophetic dream of the huge image in Daniel 2 talks about the ten fingers of the feet and they are in sequence to the fourth kingdom of Rome!Thus the ten kingdoms have to do with the fourth kingdom of Rome. Why do you therefore list Assyria or Egypt as of the seven kingdoms? Is it also a guess? Daniel doesn’t speak anything about the kingdom of Assyria.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/22/2009 15:51 pm

The key to unlocking the meaning of Revelation 12 is not by guessing who the woman and manchild are. Rather, it is by knowing who and what the 7 headed dragon and 10 horns are (Rev 12:3). Scriptures specifically identifies the latter two. One is an end-time world government system; the other is the men who will run it. Knowing who and what they are will clearly define the timeline in which the surrounding events of Revelation 12 will unfold.

Rev 17: 12 And the ten horns. . . are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

This begs the question, “When does the beast of Revelation rule?” This will in turn tell us when these 10 rulers (10 horns) will rule. Certainly, neither the anti-X, nor these 10 rulers ruled together at the birth or resurrection of Christ.

Rev 17: 9,10 . . . The seven heads are seven mountains . . . (10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medo-persia, Greece), and one is (the 6th = Rome at the time of John), and the other (the 7th = the anti-X kingdom ) is not yet come .

Again, there is a question to be asked, “When does the 7 headed, 10 horned dragon come against the nation of Israel?” If John wrote Revelations during the 6th head, when is the 7th head? And again, certainly not at the birth or resurrection of Christ.

The time of the 10 horns, the time of the 7 headed dragon, and the time when Satan is finally cast upon the earth are time identifiers of the events in question. There is only one timeline that will accommodate all those events. The timeline of Revelation 12 is that of the last trump, the 7th trump of the 7th seal spoken of through Revelations. These are end-time events. They are not first century pre-apostolic or post-apostolic church events.

The timeline involving the 10 horns and the 7 headed dragon define the “woman” and the “manchild” as someone or something other than Jesus, Mary, and/or Israel.

There is only one explanation. That explanation is when dedicated, sold-out Christians are equated as the manchild and an end-time compromised church is equated as the woman of Rev 12:1. These dedicated, sold-out Christians will overcome a 7 headed, one-world government, and be changed in the twinkling of an eye into the manchild company (1 Cor 15:52) at the last trump to be caught up to God and to His thrown. They will rule and reign with Jesus with a rod of iron (Rev 2:26-28). The woman (compromised Xians) will be “tried in THE fire” (Rev 318) through persecution from the anti-X (Dan 7:24-26) and eventually martyred after 3.5 years.

Jesus cannot be the manchild of Rev 12:5. (Although, he is the reason for the manchild.)

Mary and/or Israel are not the “woman” of Rev 12. NOTE: In John’s day, the image described in Rev 12:1 was well known & recognized. She could be found in most pagan temples. John knew her to be Ishtar; the mother goddess. God likened the nation of Israel to the same in the Old Testament when Israel backslide and became a harlot/compromised church . . . a church who was in bed with every political power, and engaged in every worldly desire . . . a church only partially betrothed to God. Her child (the manchild) may be from the seed of God, but there will be the day where he (the manchild) can no longer tolerate to remain in her. He will come out of the church and be united with Christ as his bride.

This means that the “stars” that are cast to the earth (Rev 12:4) are Christians who once stood in heavenly places (figuratively speaking)with Jesus, backsliding and falling away, as prophesied in 2 Thess 2:3 . . .

2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first (1/3rd of the stars — Rev 12:4), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition.

This is a difficult thing . . . but it’s the only explanation that harmonizes all the parameters and all scriptures associated with this passage.

By Fozman (wrote 42 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/14/2009 10:31 am

And Jayant regarding your last post: Yes it says the anti christ is a man. It also plainly says Revelation 12 is a woman.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/9/2009 22:46 pm

Scott, Despite our opinions of who or what this is I still might be able to help you with the children issue. Theory: Man Child means man of the house. Meaning he was a firstborn son already born to a mother without a father for the child. Considering the 1260 days of peace then all the traveling she does later it is feasible to assume that the other children came later during her trials with Satan.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/9/2009 22:40 pm

Just a few more thoughts regarding the identity of the woman and the man-child:

If the man-child is Jesus, as so many claim, consider the problem with 12:17 for a few moments. The text says that the siblings of the man-child are hunted down by the Dragon. Everything within the context of chapter 12 leads us to believe these siblings were already alive when the man-child was born. (When does the Woman have time to get pregnant again and bring forth more children when she has been cast into the wilderness and is immediately hunted like an animal)? And if these siblings existed BEFORE Jesus was born, the bulk of the chapter is meaningless to any end-time revelation of Jesus Christ.

But, just suppose they WERE born after Jesus. That means that Jesus and his siblings all had the same MOTHER. Now, this would really be a stretch of faith to believe. Nowhere in the scripture is there any suggestion that the spiritual brethren of Jesus are born of the same mother. However, there are numerous places that tell us that we have the same FATHER. Why then, wasn’t it a MAN arrayed in light and standing on the moon??

Perhaps the man-child simply isn’t Jesus.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/9/2009 18:29 pm

Reference Post# 49:

We beleive the Anti-Christ to be a real person:

(a) Rev. 13;18 says “for it is the number of a man” Kindly mark the words “a man’.

(b)2 Thess. 2:3 describes him as “The man of sin” and “the son of perdition”

Of course, 1 John 4:3 tells us about the spirit of antichrist.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2009 07:33 am

Waterboy’s mom would say that too.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/30/2009 02:23 am

Hey, for that matter, why couldn’t the anti-Christ be a woman? You know I always pictured the devil as a female.

By Jason (wrote 314 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2009 20:37 pm

Alright Jayant…Quick question.. The anti-Christ is spoken of metaphorically too but we understand him to be a real person..
This is all prophecy in a book referring to the future.. Why can’t she be real if the guy in the next chapter is. She can be.. Respectfully.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2009 19:49 pm

Thank you Christina for your kind words.

My understanding about Revelation 12 is given in my post #15. It is better not to be dogmatic, but we should continue to study the prophesy with an open mind.We now see dimly in the mirror. A time will come when everything will be crystal clear.

You are a sister in Christ and with a name Christina. I would urge you as your brother in christ to be reconciled with Scott. Just forgive and forget.
God bless you!

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2009 14:23 pm

Jayant,

I didn’t know Watchman Nee views the woman as the church. I will have to find his writings and investigate more!

You said:
“I am still not convinced that God has no further dealing with Israel.”

Does Watchman Nee hold this view?? I certainly don’t. God has great plans for Israel in these last days and the church better wake-up to them.

Regarding Rev 2:26-27, it is Jesus himself who quotes Psalm 2:9 when he says that the saints who overcome will rule with an iron rod. It is Jesus himself that gives John the vision of the sun-clad Woman. At the very least, there is as much possibility that Rev. 12:5 IS referring to the overcomers as it is to Jesus.

You also said:
“So if some holds that the woman of Chpater 12 is Israel and the man child is the Lord Jesus,one cannot rule out that possibility altogether.”

But it seems you have overlooked a very important point in all of this. When God gives a symbolic vision to one of his chosen prophets; he does NOT co-mingle the literal and the figurative. If he did, who could possibly know which symbol should be interpreted as literal and which should be figurative?

For instance, you say the man-child “is a singular personage”. How do you know this? If the woman is symbolic then ALL of the elements in the vision are symbolic. As stated previously, a symbolic woman does not give birth to a literal man without turning the prophetic word on its ear! How do we know it isn’t the REVERSE?? Perhaps it’s the WOMAN who is literal and the man-child is symbolic! Do you not see how there can never be clarity unless we abide by the rules of interpretation that have been established according to the ancient God-given prophecies that have ALREADY been fulfilled?

Do not be quick to dismiss this point! It is critical. God is consistant and he is not the author of confusion. Without this rule as a guiding rudder, anyone’s interpretation (guess) is as good as another’s and we will always be adrift carrying a measure of doubt.

Also remember, symbolic prophecy is never given to re-state history. It serves no purpose and does not advance our understanding. What good does it do to restate that Jesus was born in Israel? How does this knowledge help us in interpreting the vision? It doesn’t! But God’s established pattern is always to ADD detail to enhance understanding. This rule is firmly established throughout the visions of Daniel.

It seems that many Christians have trouble with the idea that the saints “will judge the world” and “angels”. Yet, it is a theme that comes up over and over. Read psalm 149 for instance. What does it mean to Sit with Jesus “on His throne” if it does not include sharing in the AUTHORITY of that throne? When the disciples were arguing who would be on Jesus’ right and who would be on his left, they WERE RIGHT to think they would share in Jesus authority. The Lord did not rebuke them for thinking this; he rebuked them for having the wrong idea how to administer power.

The overcomers are the ones who are prepared for all this.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/29/2009 05:48 am

Exactly my point… If the Jews are to be redeemed in the end times..a single mother may be out there like this woman to lead them home in the last days.. The moon is her symbol.. the sun is her little boy(I think).. He leads the Army of the Lord in Armageddon..She dies to break the curse.
And the moon becomes as blood and the sun becomes as black as sackclothe(mourning)and whether or not i prove to be wrong didn’t mean I couldn’t plead a really good case. If not a better one than this being someone from the past or no one at all. I think the star constellation Bethula above Israel in 1996 proved his birth just like a star was there for jesus and moses. And thanks Jayant for at least being respectful of my opinion while sharing your own bc no one will know anyway til the end..Until we do I will keep my peace with all from now on..God’s speed brother.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/28/2009 16:14 pm

What is the Church after all? It is the one new man, according to the Eph.2: , the enmity is done away with, by bringing the non-Israelite Gentile within one fold. Thus the Church has in it both Jews and Gentile. God strated with Jews in the book of Apostle. Since the Jews harden their hearts, God turned to the Gentile, setting aside for a time being the Jews and continuing with the Gentile. But in the end time )Israel will also return to the Lord in faith. They will then be more prominent in the Church, bringing blessings for the whole world. god started with the Jews, continued with the Gentile and will conclude with the Jews.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/28/2009 08:06 am

And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. (Romans 11:23)

By Jason (wrote 314 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/27/2009 19:20 pm

Watchman Nee, a servant of our God from China held the same position as do Scott. Some other well meaning Christian scholars hold this opinion as well. I have very high regard for Brother Watchman Nee, but I am still not comfortable with what he believed on this premise.

I am still not convinced that God has no further dealing with Israel. In fact, with the over all picture of the Scripture, Israel has still to play pivotal role in the plan of God, even as the part of His Church.

The end time is marked by a rigorous conflict between God and His arch enemy, the Satan. The ultimate victory is of God and His faithful.It is for this reason that the book of Revelation talks of overcomers or overcoming.

The interpretation as discussed by Scott is also an opinion and not a final one, no matter how sincerely he gives it with prayers and in depth study of the Word of God. He say that the Woman in chapter 12 is the Church and the male child is the Overcomers in that Church. But we have three verses in Revelation to consider:

“And he (the overcomer)shall rule them with a rod of iron;……., even as I have received (power) of my Father.” (Revelation 2:27)

“And she brought forth a male child, who WAS to rule all the nations with a rode of iron” (Revelation 12:5)

“….His name is the word of God……and he shall rule them with a rode of iron.” Rev.19:13-15)

In all the three references, Jesus is the one to rule with the rod of iron.In the ultimate result, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who is to rule the nations with a rode of iron and the overcomers are to share in His reigning. In chapter 12, we have the man child, a singular personage and can rightly and naturally fit with the Lord Jesus in view of Rev. 19:15, rather than overcomers as stated in Rev. 2:27. So if some holds that the woman of Chpater 12 is Israel and the man child is the Lord Jesus,one cannot rule out that possibility altogether. We all are learnig.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/27/2009 16:28 pm

Besides, Scott .. Who made you the all time authority anyway? And about your beliefs on how you understand prophecy.. We all know the only way you can really know the meaning behind prophecy is the holy spirit, so be careful and don’t talk to me like that again…

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/24/2009 20:50 pm

well obviously your established version of text has no merit concerning your understanding in interpretation bc had it been so then there would be no reason for revealing the truth behind prophecy. Which means some where along the way your established thinking was arrogant.believe what you want too. It still doesnt mean you know what your talking about. and revealing prophecy eventually means you couldnt have or God wouldn’ t have to reveal it eventually especially to those who think they do… If you truly know then what is it that God could reveal that you dont . Hypocryite.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/24/2009 06:35 am

Christina,

Sorry, but your position simply has no merit and I have no desire for a dispute. Believe what you want.

Regarding whose belief is right and who’s is wrong, the only thing I can say for certain is that the text in question cannot be made to mean anything we want it to mean. Rightly dividing the “Word of Truth” doesn’t happen simply because we’re Christian. It happens subjectively by disciplined study and prayer. It happens objectively by consistently applying established rules of interpretation and having a balanced knowledge of redemption, history and the Kingdom of God. To unlock the mysteries of prophecy, you must have both; but even then you can still get it wrong and many do.

But even before any of these things, it’s extremely helpful to carefully read what the text actually says. As you say, “Read all the texts”; to which I say; “RE-read MY text”. I did NOT say the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. I said 69 weeks have been fulfilled and the 70th week remains to be fulfilled.

Perhaps you’ve been thinking too far outside the box. May I suggest fully examining everything that’s currently INSIDE the box before you go looking outside of it.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/24/2009 03:58 am

just because you are fixed on this widely held belief system doesn’t mean it is right or that i am wrong. The 70 weeks are there to allow the temple to be rebuilt in the end times before the war starts. It is the firecracker that causes it all! What makes you so absolutely sure that the 70 weeks have been fulfilled? Read all the texts. It plainly says these things will happen. First the published peace.. a book that explains the truth behind the prophecy. Second the Jews return in mass. THird. the temple gets rebuilt. Those things have not happened yet especially exactly like that… The 70 weeks are literal.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/23/2009 21:20 pm

“There are a lot of speculation about Daniels 70weeks”

Christina,

This is exactly what I’m talking about. In general, the church is thinking way too far “outside the box” regarding Daniel’s 70th week. If we would just get out minds off of our own personal “speculations” and simply apply the most basic rules of prophetic interpretation, these things would be much easier to understand.

The 70 weeks are not literal weeks, but rather weeks of years. 69 weeks of Daniel’s prophecies (483 years) have clearly been fulfilled. One week remains to be fulfilled; the 70th week (7 years). Up to this point, there is much agreement among students because the conclusion bears up so well to objective interpretation.

However, the “speculation” begins when we say the Rapture is the event that starts Daniel’s 70th week. On this conclusion there is no objective interpretation and sadly, much of the church has been so conditioned to think this notion is biblical that they refuse to “think outside the box”. In fact, many refuse to think at all.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/23/2009 03:20 am

There are a lot of speculation about Daniels 70weeks. My personal studies have indicated that the 70 weeks are literal weeks. They are the final 70 weeks that it takes to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in the very last days before WW III. Remember the Jews go home in the final days. They rebuild the temple. The anti-Christ comes to take over in a time of peace and boom! The seven year war begins.

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/22/2009 13:49 pm

Are you familiar with Daniel’s 70th week?

By Jason W. Elder (wrote 314 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/22/2009 05:06 am

Christina,

I commend you for being willing to think “outside the box” on these matters. However, we don’t always have the luxury of thinking outside the box; especially regarding truths that God has already revealed.

But, refusing to “think outside the box” on matters that God HASN’T revealed is particularly frustrating and this is done in the church far more than we care to admit. Case in point; the “7 year tribulation” theory. For some reason, somebody came up with the notion that there is a 7 year period of Tribulation that begins with the Rapture and ends with the return of Christ at Armageddon. At times it seems that everybody believes this even though there’s no legitimate way to validate it by the scriptures. Until the church at large decides to think “outside the box” on this matter, she will be unprepared for the time of trouble that lies ahead.

Ah, but this is just ONE of the matters!

Continue to think outside the box but continue also to study, study, study the holy word of God.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/22/2009 04:29 am

There was a sign in the heavens in 1996 of the woman giving birth to a manchild. perhaps that was a sign that something was happening that we werent thinking about. What if she is neither the church nor mother mary. Who could she be then? Would it not be a clearer interpretation to assume she might be someone actually alive in the end times that gives birth to a real person? And if so, what would it tell us about the rapture when you realize verse 12:13 says the baby is now a child after the 3 &1/2 years passed. Which lost jewish family could this woman represent and what is her purpose in the end times? Just a thought. Think OUTSIDE the box…

By christina (wrote 26 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 5/21/2009 00:30 am

Jayant,

“To say that the church will have to go through the tribulation and then to say that the overcomers will not go through it is not correct.”

Becuause you believe the above statement probably explains why you cannot believe my interpretation of the Man-child. You seem to be suggesting that God would not allow any of His children to suffer the Tribulation unless they ALL did. Please be reminded that the blood of our Savior is only a guarantee against the WRATH of God; not against the Tribulation. This is why Jesus made so many appeals for his followers to “be ready” because many simply WILL NOT be ready.

Perhaps there is another element which may cause conflict in your understanding. That element may be the Tribulation itself. The typical understanding in the church today of this event is terribly convoluted. Many people put the Tribulation into the first half of Daniel’s 70th week. This seems to be a very popular belief but it is terribly inaccurate. The Tribulation has nothing to do with Daniel’s 70th week except that it immediately precedes it. In a nutshell, the Tribulation lasts for 3 1/2 years and when it comes to an end, Daniel’s 70th week begins and lasts for 7 more years. So, from the time of the Rapture to the Return of Christ is 10 1/2 years. Now stick with me:

The reason this is important to understand is because the 3 1/2 years of Tribulation which the saints on earth must endure is NOT the WRATH of God. God’s wrath does not begin until the 7th seal is broken. This is also the beginning of Daniel’s 70th week. But you will notice that the Tribulation saints are IN HEAVEN in chapter 7 BEFORE the 7th seal is broken in chapter 8. Therefore, the resurrection of the Tribulation saints along with the sealing of the 144,00 signal the end of the Tribulation and the beginning of God’s wrath (trumpet judgments) for the next 7 years. Wrath and Tribulation are distinctly separate.

Lastly, you make a reference to 1 Thes. 4 and imply that Paul does not make a distinction regarding “overcomers”. This is true, but I hope you also acknowledge that this ommission does not prove YOUR hypothesis. It might be good to re-examine the character of the Thessalonian church, however, for I believe it has a lot to do with Paul’s instruction to them. Even a cursory examine will reveal that this is a remarkable church that is victorious over persecution and suffering. A church that refused to yield to the horrible culture that surrounded them but rather, stood out as a light and witness to the gospel. They were a sanctified body of believers full of faith and love that prompted Paul to say; “May the Lord strengthen your hearts SO THAT you will be blameless and holy in the presence of our God and Father when our Lord Jesus comes with all His holy ones.” To me, there is one word that describes this church: overcomers.

It seems grossly presumptuous to assume that all Christians will automatically receive the same great reward of rapture that Paul is confirming to the Thessalonians unless they also have attained the same holiness through suffering. “Without holiness, NO ONE will see the Lord.”

The necessary holiness that comes through suffering will be granted through the Tribulation.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/22/2009 21:22 pm

We have in 1 Thes. 4 how the Church is going to be raptured. It doesn’t speak about the rapture of only the overcomers. Even the rapture of overcomers is one’s own intepretaion. It is not specifically stated therein. In the seven letters to the Church of Asia-Minor, they all say about the reward of the overcomers, not their raputure. If the Church is going through the tribualation, it would include the overcomers living at that time. Yes, the beleivers of all the time have to fight to the finish in order to overcome. To say that the church will have to go through the tribulation and then to say that the overcomers will not go through it is not correct.

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/22/2009 17:04 pm

Jayant,

I believe you may be making another common mistake. You seem to be looking at the Tribulation as THE test that must be “overcome”. This is incorrect. The time of testing that will distinguish the “overcomers” has NOTHING to do with the Tribulation. It will not be a “black and white” circumstance where believer’s get to make a clear choice between taking the Mark of the Beast or not. No, the test that’s coming will be with full-blown deception and it will come SUDDENLY. The Mark of the Beast will NOT be deceptive nor will it come suddenly. Most of the church will fall prey to this test because they won’t recognize what is going on.

Remember, Jesus’ stern warning to “not be deceived”. When Satan is on the earth reigning through Antichrist during the Tribulation period, his mask is OFF. EVERYONE will know who he really is. It will be very hard to be deceived during the Tribulation. The fullness of Evil will be reigning and Satan will no longer be hiding in the shadows. This is NOT the time Jesus was warning us about.

By Scott (wrote 496 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/22/2009 02:43 am

How can some of the members of the representive seven churches of Asia-Minor, who are “overcomers” be taken to heaven in Chapter 4? If they do not go through the tribulation period, how can they be overcomers and how can they be designated as overcomers? The beast in Chapter 13 is going to fight aginst the SAINTS! ( THE SAINTS ARE TO PERSEVERE!) What glory is there to God in taking up overcomers without they having anything to overcome? See even at the time of the opening of the fifth seal the number of the martyrs is not complete.(Rev.6:9-7)

By Jayant Christian (wrote 287 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 3/21/2009 17:58 pm