Revelation 12: 2 Commentary

I see these words.

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/6/2011 18:14 pm

V. James (Post #9): “…Jesus’ body decomposed …”

The Holy Bible says the flesh of Jesus Christ did not decompose. It never saw corruption (Acts 2:31).

A tenet of the Baha’i Faith says, “If it does not correspond with scientific principles and the processes of reason, it is superstition.” So, all members of Baha’i religion deny the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/6/2011 09:42 am

@Roland G
The miracles portrayed therein the bible are metaphorical accounts of spiritual truth - not literal accounts. A reading of said verses, with an eye to see their metaphors, leads the reader to great blessings.

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 20:53 pm

V. James (Post #11): The Baha’i Faith states, “If it does not correspond with scientific principles and the processes of reason, it is superstition. As a result of this premise I can see why you would deny the Resurrection and many other events in the Holy Bible.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 19:21 pm

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THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST

Question. — What is the meaning of Christ’s resurrection after three days?

Answer. — The resurrections of the Divine Manifestations are not of the body. All Their states, Their conditions, Their acts, the things They have established, Their teachings, Their expressions, Their parables and Their instructions have a spiritual and divine signification, and have no connection with material things. For example, there is the subject of Christ’s coming from heaven: it is clearly stated in many places in the Gospel that the Son of man came from heaven, He is in heaven, and He will go to heaven. So in chapter 6, verse 38, of the Gospel of John it is written: “For I came down from heaven”; and also in verse 42 we find: “And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?” Also in John, chapter 3, verse 13: “And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.”

Observe that it is said, “The Son of man is in heaven,” while at that time Christ was on earth. Notice also that it is said that Christ came from heaven, though He came from the womb of Mary, and His body was born of Mary. It is clear, then, that when it is said that the Son of man is come from heaven, this has not an outward but an inward signification; it is a spiritual, not a material, fact. The meaning is that though, apparently, Christ was born from the womb of Mary, in reality He came from heaven, from the center of the Sun of Reality, from the Divine World, and the Spiritual Kingdom. And as it has become evident that Christ came from the spiritual heaven of the Divine Kingdom, therefore, His disappearance under the earth for three days has an inner signification and is not an outward fact. In the same way, His resurrection from the interior of the earth is also symbolical; it is a spiritual and divine fact, and not material; and likewise His ascension to heaven is a spiritual and not material ascension.

Beside these explanations, it has been established and proved by science that the visible heaven is a limitless area, void and empty, where innumerable stars and planets revolve.

Therefore, we say that the meaning of Christ’s resurrection is as follows: the disciples were troubled and agitated after the martyrdom of Christ. The Reality of Christ, which signifies His teachings, His bounties, His perfections and His spiritual power, was hidden and concealed for two or three days after His martyrdom, and was not resplendent and manifest. No, rather it was lost, for the believers were few in number and were troubled and agitated. The Cause of Christ was like a lifeless body; and when after three days the disciples became assured and steadfast, and began to serve the Cause of Christ, and resolved to spread the divine teachings, putting His counsels into practice, and arising to serve Him, the Reality of Christ became resplendent and His bounty appeared; His religion found life; His teachings and His admonitions became evident and visible. In other words, the Cause of Christ was like a lifeless body until the life and the bounty of the Holy Spirit surrounded it.

Such is the meaning of the resurrection of Christ, and this was a true resurrection. But as the clergy have neither understood the meaning of the Gospels nor comprehended the symbols, therefore, it has been said that religion is in contradiction to science, and science in opposition to religion, as, for example, this subject of the ascension of Christ with an elemental body to the visible heaven is contrary to the science of mathematics. But when the truth of this subject becomes clear, and the symbol is explained, science in no way contradicts it; but, on the contrary, science and the intelligence affirm it.  106 

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THE DESCENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT UPON THE APOSTLES

Question. — What is the manner, and what is the meaning, of the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles, as described in the Gospel?

Answer. — The descent of the Holy Spirit is not like the entrance of air into man; it is an expression and a simile, rather than an exact or a literal image. No, rather it is like the entrance of the image of the sun into the mirror — that is to say, its splendor becomes apparent in it.

After the death of Christ the disciples were troubled, and their ideas and thoughts were discordant and contradictory; later they became firm and united, and at the feast of Pentecost they gathered together and detached themselves from the things of this world. Disregarding themselves, they renounced their comfort and worldly happiness, sacrificing their body and soul to the Beloved, abandoning their houses, and becoming wanderers and homeless, even forgetting their own existence. Then they received the help of God, and the power of the Holy Spirit became manifested; the spirituality of Christ triumphed, and the love of God reigned. They were given help at that time and dispersed in different directions, teaching the Cause of God, and giving forth proofs and evidences.

So the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles means their attraction by the Christ Spirit, whereby they acquired stability and firmness. Through the spirit of the love of God they gained a new life, and they saw Christ living, helping and protecting them. They were like drops, and they became seas; they were like feeble insects, and they became majestic eagles; they were weak and became powerful. They were like mirrors facing the sun; verily, some of the light became manifest in them.   

(Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 102)

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 18:38 pm

So what kind of resurrection was it V. James?

By TIUCHE (wrote 2744 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 18:23 pm

A physical resurection did not happen.
Brain without oxygen for hours is non-functional…can not be revived…eventhough nothing is impossible for God. God does not break his laws of science. God is not a law breaker.

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 18:14 pm

V. James (Post #9): In other words, you are saying, “Jesus is dead, but His cause is alive?” Do you believe Jesus was raised from the dead on the third day following physical death?

Whatever you believe is fine with me. I am just wanting to understand what you are saying.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 10:15 am

@Roland G

My neighbor, Jesus’ body decomposed to its individual molecules by now - just as yours and mine will after nearly 2000 years after our expiration.

Some Muslims think Jesus’ never died on the cross. Some Muslims feel certain Jesus has been in exile these past millenia.
I know Jesus never died, in the sense His cause on Earth will never end. He most certainly expired at crucifixion. No human flesh lives forever.

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 05:55 am

V. James (Post #5): “It was correct, in His time, to …..say “You are God”.”

Jesus Christ is alive and well. It would still be correct to say to Jesus Christ “You are God.”

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/5/2011 01:53 am

@Roland G

I don’t see how I can find fault in that Statement.

500 bonus points for you finding the birth name of Baha’ullah. You have until tomorrow.

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/4/2011 19:46 pm

V. James (Post #6): In actuality, “The Bab” is a title given to a person by the name of Ali Muhammed. He lived between 1819 and 1850. Ali Muhammed was the founder of the Babi Faith, which religion later became known as the Baha’i Faith.

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/4/2011 16:32 pm

@Roland G
I see an impasse. I will not disturb this. If two people come to blows over religion, they are BOTH wrong. For religion is for the harmony of men, not their discord.
The owners of this web-site are liberal, in the sense they respect the exchange of words between people. Of that I am sure everyone is appreciative.
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I believe in the Divinity of Lord Jesus. It was correct, in His time, to walk up to Him and say “You are God”. Christ has returned to stay. Woe betides those who live the extent of their life not seeing this.

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/4/2011 14:42 pm

V.James (Post #3): “Bab” was just a human like anyone else. Jesus, on the other hand, was FULLY God and Fully man having a dual nature(Isaiah 9:6; 1 Tim. 3;16).

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/4/2011 11:07 am

Christ Jesus (praise be upon Him) was born some two-thousand years ago in Palestine. Christ Jesus (praise be upon Him) was excecuted at Golgatha (the skull) Jerusalem, Palestine.

there is no such thing as bad press

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/4/2011 06:21 am

Post #1 makes reference to “the Bab.” “The Bab was born May 23, 1844 in Shiraz, Persia. . . . The Bab was executed in the public square of the City of Tabriz . . .”

Source: Baha’i International Community

By Roland G (wrote 1411 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/4/2011 05:05 am

hen it is said in the second verse: “and she being with child cried,” meaning that this Law fell into the greatest difficulties and endured great troubles and afflictions until a perfect offspring was produced — that is, the coming Manifestation, the Promised One, Who is the perfect offspring, and Who was reared in the bosom of this Law, which is as its mother. The child Who is referred to is the Báb, the Primal Point, Who was in truth born from the Law of Muhammad — that is to say, the Holy Reality, Who is the child and outcome of the Law of God, His mother, and Who is promised by that religion, finds a reality in the kingdom of that Law; but because of the despotism of the dragon the child was carried up to God. After twelve hundred and sixty days the dragon was destroyed, and the child of the Law of God, the Promised One, became manifest.

(Abdu’l-Baha, Some Answered Questions, p. 68)

By V. James (wrote 132 Bible Commentaries - permalink to this Commentary)
Posted on: 6/3/2011 19:32 pm